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What's Behind Rape Fantasies?

Women's secret thoughts reveal unconscious, often brutal, desires

How many women have rape fantasies?" my friend Michael Malice asks over drinks. The question comes out of thin air.

Lisa Carver
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    "I don't know, but it's not uncommon," I reply.

    "I'd think a lot of women have rape fantasies," says another guy friend. "Every girl I've been with wants to be dominated."

    "You should know, since you're into spanking," replies Michael. I'm shocked, but perhaps I shouldn't be. Fantasizing and masturbation are our most secretive sexual acts, allowing us to envision our darkest, strangest scenarios. Fantasies are completely our own, to share or not. We may never truly know what's going on in our friends' or partners' minds—all the lurking erotic treasure trails or secret crushes, which can be liberating or isolating. Once I started asking about rape fantasies, I had women clamoring to tell me theirs, perhaps because it's such a taboo topic.

    I find rape fantasies disconcerting. I can't get to the second word without fully absorbing the first, and rape is so laden, it stops me in my tracks. I do like to be tied up, ordered around, or spanked on occasion, just not in the context of being raped, even in my mind. But plenty of women do. Nancy Friday wrote in her 1973 classic My Secret Garden, "Rape does for a woman's sexual fantasy what the first martini does for her in reality: Both relieve her of responsibility and guilt. . . . She gets him to do what she wants him to do, while seeming to be forced." Every woman I spoke with echoed this idea. But fantasizing about rape does not mean a woman wants to be raped. That should be obvious, but isn't always.

    I called Lisa Carver (myspace.com/drugsarenice), the woman behind the infamously in-your-face band Suckdog and author of the brilliant new memoir Drugs Are Nice (Soft Skull Press, 2005). "I've been having rape fantasies since I was little. They're incredibly violent, and involve me being tied up in a burlap sack and hung from the ceiling. All these men are beating me with sticks and then they gang-rape me. There's also the rapist who's insane; he loves me and doesn't understand he's raping me. I kind of like it, yet in my fantasy it's rape." It gets even better (or worse, depending on your viewpoint). "In one scenario, the devil rapes me. He comes up from the bathtub drain and pulls my cervix out and fist-fucks me. He does it to me with his hot penis, which is on fire, and I love it," Carver enthuses.

    The desire to be captured, taken, used, and abused—while enjoying it—came up several times. "Tina" ties her long-held rape and kidnapping fantasies to her dysfunctional family. Growing up with an alcoholic father, overworked mother, and no running water, she "had valid reasons for wanting to be 'rescued.' " This manifested itself in looking out the window at night for potential kidnappers and dreaming about any form of adult sexual experience—but when a man actually flashed her, she ran away.

    In my random sampling, only one woman, "Dana," wanted to rape a guy. In her fantasy, she's hooking up with a guy who tells her he's not in love with her and won't fuck her. She pulls out a knife and tells him to screw her or he'll die. Another involves her holding eight men at gunpoint. She shoots all who don't make her come orally, and marries the last survivor.

    These fantasies may sound scary, disturbing, or even laughable, yet they are real coping mechanisms. Carver credits her rape fantasies to her dad's war stories; he was a drug runner in Mexico, and prided himself on never ratting anyone out. "Because I'm a woman and I'm very sexual, in my mind it got turned into how I could take gang rape. I can survive and even get revenge. The important thing is not to beg for help."

    Feminist writer Jill Soloway (jillsoloway.com) thinks rape fantasies work on an evolutionary level. "A woman who gives it up too easily is capable of having a baby born to a father different from the man who's fucking her. A man naturally feels more attraction to a woman who's judicious and says no." This goes for both parties. "For most, if not all, of the women I know," e-mails Soloway, "good sex entails a shared fantasy of dominance, where the man knows you're playing. How weird is this? We fight for the right to say yes, then once we have it we find it's hottest if we pretend to say no."

    Carver has another theory. "It's because we are preparing for childbirth, which fuckin' hurts. Our bodies are thinking, I must prepare mentally for getting ripped apart by a human head. Every time I'm pregnant, I have the most violent fantasies." Folksinger Jessica Delfino (jessydelfino.blogspot.com) wrote a song called "I'm Saving This Rape for Someone Who Loves Me" about staving off an attacker and holding out until "my lover gently rapes me to a Genesis CD." Delfino tells me, "I think it's innate for every woman to have an internal need to be wanted so badly that a man would take sex from her."

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    • Rick 02/10/2012 4:15:00 AM

      Hi Heather, As a man who has had the pleasure of being with women who have loved the fantasy you're describing, I must say it's arousing for both the man and the woman. I once had a woman who wanted be to ambush while walking home through the woods. I threw the woman over my shoulder and literally carried her kicking and screaming for about a 1/2 kile to my home and into my bedroom. Once there, I tied and gagged her and then raped her all night while she fought and screamed. In the morning, she thanked me and repeated the scenario several times more. I like your style Heather! Rick

    • Mrs Weird 11/13/2011 5:12:00 PM

      This is the first time in many years that I find an article that makes me feel a bit more at ease with myself, as since I was fourteen, I have been having the most obscene fantasies about getting raped. And I thought I was the only woman who had such! My first sexual stirrings were to fantasies of the exact opposite, I would be the one tying the persons up, injuring them, in sexual manners too, and having sex with them against their will. And the one day, sitting in the classroom feeling a bit aroused, a fantasy popped up in my head where I started imagining being the victim myself; having the guy with whom I had my first rather innocent sexual encounter with just a couple of weeks before, tear my clothes of on a pavement and forcing me down and penetrating me. This might have very much been the case of 'wanting to have sex with someone, but not wanting the responsibility of having said yes'. These fantasies got stuck in my head, and they became darker and weirder. I don't fantasize about handsome men that I would be attracted to, I fantasize about men who don't appeal to me at all, whom I find revolting. I also don't want to enjoy it, not even at a progressive state during the fantasy; I don't imagine it being arousing; I want to be hurt really badly; beaten, torn and humiliated. It is as if I want the person to exorcise this revolting idea out of my head with every violent thrust. I want to hate it. And lastly, I definitely don't want to try roll play with my husband, as this is not be the real thing. It is more that genital arousal. And the thought that I will never know what it is really about is asphyxiating. But alas, how can you want something you don't want? That is the answer I got from the only person I ever confided in. I will probably never even understand my thoughts myself. But it is comforting to know that there are more freakish people like me out there.

    • guest 10/01/2011 2:39:00 PM

      good job with the article

    • Heather43338 07/21/2011 8:44:00 AM

      I have rape fantasies and act on them. There is nothing wrong with this. I guess in some Situations a person could get hurt but for the most part I have never felt more fulfilled after telling a friend about my fantasies and having them "rape" me. Sometimes I knew they were going to other times I was ambushed somewhere and taken at their Will. Find a friend who is willing to take you to that level. Best sex in my life

    • 04/02/2011 5:32:00 PM

      Well, I can give a round-about sort of perspective to how sexual fantasies, and the conduct of our lives don't (nor should they) exit on the same field. As ashamed as I am to admit, even these many years later, I was once in an easy position to cheat with an ex coming back to town. So after all the exciting 'cheating fantasies', I caved. But I found when the time came to perform, I wasn't game at all. (emotionally or '''physically''') Even in the most conscious aspects of my personality, I loathed the thought of literally playing with someones heart, and so the excitement of the fantasy was rendered inert with a with a modest dose of reality. Women may at times fantasies about rape, but given their submissive neurochemistry, and the human's natural excitement towards anything taboo or unkown, I don't find it the least bit surprising. For me, there's a big difference between cheating in your fantasies, and cheating in practice. As for rape, that doesn't even compare with cheating... so nuff said

    • Suzanneemclaughlin 02/26/2011 6:01:00 AM

      Why would a woman enjoy a rape fantasy and who would she tell without being labeled weird????

    • lindsey 10/29/2010 9:24:00 PM

      I have read the above : I to have rape fantasies is this noral. Im 33 yrs old cant remember not having them.* I had an abuses father it seem the only time I had attention from him was when he was beatting me from smacking me to using a belt.I beleve over my childhood I come to see the beating as his way of showing me love of somekind. I know that this is not noral. I was also molessed when i was very young but the teen who did this was not ruff but he was gentel n loving and until this day when when Im with man for sex I get nevus and scared when he wants to be loving with me. I enjoy being foced by having my hair pulled thown around smacked and I find myself wanting it to be ruffer and more intents I crave abuse. Is this noral for what i been thew or Im I just a freak?

    • Deas Plant 08/11/2010 2:20:00 AM

      Hi, Folks. I am convinced that there are many levels and types of 'rape' fantasies but that very few if any of them are about genuine NON-consentual, forced-against-their-will sexual intercourse. To my mind, the term, 'rape fantasy', used in this sense is something of a misnomer. To me, what this is really about is the desire of almost all heterosexual women to be the object of the affections/attentions of a REAL man, a man who knows what he wants and goes after it, a STRONG man who is strong enough to take her sexually but also strong enough, both physically and emotionally, to care for and protect her and any children they may have. There may also very well be an element of 'guilt-avoidance' in some so-called 'rape' fantasies, i.e. the woman wants the sex but does not want to feel that she is responsible for any part of it. I have a hot flash for these women. If you have these fantasies, you ARE responsible for having them. NOBODY forced you to have them. If one of these fantasies actually happens to you, you may not be resposnsible for the event but you ARE responsible for placing yourself in a situation where it could happen. Whatever might be said about this or pretty much any other topic relating to humans of either gender can only be a generalisation. There are so many variables and variations in all aspects of human relations, especially our sex lives. There is NO other species on the planet - or in it - whose sexual relations are as complicated as us humans. For most other species, the female feels the urge to mate, she display this urge to the male and he mates with her. Even the extremely sexually active bonobos, our closest relatives genetically speaking, have not managed to complicate their sex lives as much as we humans. Perhaps some of you might like to check out this link about women's fantasies. http://www.healthyplace.com/sex/psychology-of-sex/womens-top-ten-sexual-fantasies/menu-id-1482/ You all have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

     

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