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Lardums 05/21/2012 4:44:00 AM
Actually, he states, in his own words, in his book entitled, "The Secret Knowledge of the Dismantling of American Culture," that he has in fact embraced conservatism. Chapter 2, pg. 10.
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Antisocialist 05/11/2012 6:54:00 PM
Brad, by pointing to slavery to say that people can't work things out on their own, you point out a prime example of what happens when the Federal Government fails to do the one fundamental job it has: Protecting the liberty of Americans. When government forgets that the founders intended for it to do little more than protect liberty, bad things happen. Slavery, the genocide of Native Americans, internment camps during WWII, and the enslavement of future generations to the current generation via debt, just to name a few.
Segregation, rather than being an example of the inability of people to work things out on their own, is actually an example of how government often actively crushes liberty. Jim Crow laws were enacted by.. you guessed it.. government. Only once the Federal Government finally remembered its primary job were these laws struck down.
You are correct that the government is us, and I believe that's one of the main points of Mr Mamet's article; that because government is us, it is flawed, just as we are. This is precisely why the founders put up so many barricades to the expansion of government. Unfortunately, we've spent the better part of the last century knocking those barricades down, and it is our children and grandchildren who will be punished for it.
For a better understanding of just why our founders made it so hard for the Federal Government to do anything, read the Federalist Papers if you haven't already done so. If you're like me, you'll be astounded at just how many of their warnings seem pertinent to today.
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05/11/2012 4:24:00 PM
So eager are so many of you to define Mamet's self-revelation as an embrace of conservatism when it is not. He has merely come to a point where he no longer embraces absolutes.
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05/11/2012 4:22:00 PM
and you think that is good company to keep? Hardly.
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05/10/2012 3:04:00 PM
"I have just one thing to say. Government IS us. It consists of our friends, our neighbors, our relatives, our children. It's too easy to treat it as an evil, faceless entity. Public policy is made through compromise. It's imperfect. If you feel like it treats you impersonally, that's because it treats you the same as everybody else. It has to."
And Hitler was human too. He loved kittens so he can't be all bad! Have you ever been to the DMV or do you walk? What would you NOT compromise on? Our government has grown so dysfunctional that they are operating without a budget for over three years. They keep giving the people anything they want in order to get elected, knowing very well that there is a finite amount of cash in the taxpayer's pocket.
It is not that they treat one impersonally, it is that they treat you like a king treats their subjects. Federal pay for the same job is substantially higher (I am a retired fed worker).
Thank you Brad for you kind words for us government employees. It's not that my pay was too generous, it's because the rest of you that are not government employees are paid so poorly. How would you fix that Brad? I worked in the largest money pit in the universe and you keep chucking cash at it. Thank you Brad for funding my retirement!
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05/10/2012 2:38:00 PM
Why do you need the government to take care of you? Why should the government be involved in Medicare and Social Security? Could not a free market society fill this gap with services and retirement programs that are sustainable and realistic?
He is talking about the role of government. Obviously slavery and segregation legislation is part of the government's role.
"Mr. Mamet may not require Medicare or Social Security. He may have never needed a student loan. Or clean drinking water. The list is too long to list."
You are very correct: The list is way too long. The government that you are so dependent on is involved in every part of your life. What would you do without it? Maybe you should do the thinking for yourself so the government does not have to do it for you. Your like a 32 year old child that won't be weaned off mama's tit cause mama has you convinced you will die without her.
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Leonjonez 05/10/2012 2:03:00 PM
I like this comment. I cannot discern why or even what is being said, but I LIKE IT!
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04/12/2012 7:02:00 AM
It is incredible how the american culture person can "rethink" his attutude to conservative-liberal paradigm without applying to Ayn Rand. From "Atlas Shrugged" it becomes understandable that our standing on one side or another is not the question of worse or better "understanding" of the world and the man but rather the question of our attitude and will, or in other words moral question.
Brain dead doesn't come without consequencies.
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Prof Waller 03/28/2012 11:14:00 PM
Davey, I always respect those who don't just talk but DO something to express their values. It doesn't even matter if I agree with what they choose to do--the admirable thing is that they are doing, giving of themselves. Besides, "Meals on Wheels" is one of the most important programs in Detroit! It feeds a LOT of people, like the Capuchins do, and like the various friars bakeries and food banks around the city do, Bravo for you. Maybe Mamet would say that's too liberal; or maybe that label, ANY label is meaningless to the person who is simply thankful to be given food when they would otherwise starve.
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03/24/2012 3:32:00 AM
Prof Waller and Mr. Sadler: I've thouroughly enjoyed reading your point, counterpoint, clarification and interchange. This is the type of discussion that needs to continue to happen if we are to work through this. Glad also that you picked up Mamet's book, "The Secret Knowledge." There's no way I will match the erudition of either of you. While at college, I had a lot of answers. Now I have a lot of questions. If I had the luxury of time, I'd go back to undergrad at a liberal arts college, start over, and wrestle with history, political philosophy, and try to unpack and evaluate the positions I've come to over my 50 years of life experience. I come from a traditionalist/conservative-to-libertarian viewpoint, and my dad who also served in the military has settled on a screaming liberal, I hate all things Republican and wealthy viewpoint. We can't talk politics without bellowing, which serves no purpose, other than to entertain anyone within earshot. I do hope to evaluate my viewpoints with a scholarly dispassion, but also find firm footing where I've been "right" and correct where I've been wrong. Mamet's process seems to have been more an awakening than an analysis. It's hard to shed what we grew up with and look at it objectively. During my upcoming retirement, I'm hoping to take some classes, serve the community, and speak with a more reasoned but passionate voice. Keep in touch, Dave
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03/13/2012 3:28:00 AM
Prof Waller, are you implying that growing up is somehow linked to those evil conservative thought patterns?? Hmmm... :-)
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03/13/2012 3:27:00 AM
Good to hear from you again, Prof. Waller. I'm venting, obviously. We have GOT to live within our means, unleash the private sector which will produce the wealth needed for revenues to pay for a very needed safety net, and learn to pray--EARNESTLY--again. I get carried away, but we gotta deal with each other, speaking the truth in love, and being wise. I loved Mr. Mamet's book, and I hope more people read it. He's a wordsmith worth his salt, and has forced me again to dig back into Webster's on at least two or three words per page. I don't know Mr. Mamet, but I do believe his point is worth hearing out. As is yours. Thanks for the sanity-check, Prof. OBTW, I'm hoping to get involved with our church's "meals on wheels" ministry to the homeless in our area. Hoping I can apply my Masters in Public Health to needs assessment and wrapping my brain around some aspect the challenges of the neediest among us. Your input is always welcome! All the Best, DaveyJonesDetroit
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03/13/2012 3:19:00 AM
But everybody seems to turn conservative BEFORE they die, Steve, so, it's more like, the only dead Liberal (Kennedy) was a good one. As Chris Mathews would say, HA!
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03/13/2012 3:17:00 AM
DavyI think all Deeddr is trying to say is that Mamet got CORRUPTED by wealth, not that wealth itself is corrupt, or that there are no wealthy democrats (I'm SURE he wasn't trying to say there are no corrupt democrats). I think you missed his point about Mamet.
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03/13/2012 3:12:00 AM
The quote can be found at the top of page 106 in the chapter-essay titled "Rumpelstiltskin..." Each essay takes on a different aspect of the downside of the Liberalism Mamet grew up with.
Life is complex, and there aren't always easy answers. Mr. Mamet asks the questions we all need to answer: what is the proper size and role of government, and how can we escape the compound interest if we're borrowing 4.1 Billion dollars every day just to pay the INTEREST on the ever-growing national Debt? OBTW, the debt blew past the new 16 Trillion dollar ceiling much earlier than forecast. Nervous? We need to be. If people are responsible for their own life-choices, and help each other through families, church/synagogue/mosques, communities, then maybe the government can focus on it's constitutionally limited role of foreign affairs, infrastructure, and regulating interstate commerce.
Pray, help your neighbor directly, and get over this addiction to federal handouts which only serve to re-elect the current crop of incumbents at a huge, increasingly un-payable, exhorbitant cost to us, our children's children, and our liberties.
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03/13/2012 2:48:00 AM
Deeddr: Is wealth limited to Republicans? Like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, George Soros, name-any-talking-head-on-MSNBC?
Heard a stat that the average income of registered Democrats is actually GREATER than that of registered Republicans.
It's funny that the 1% are trying to pretend they aren't the 1% by railing against "those evil 1%-ers"--this is wonderful "Admit nothing, Deny everything, Make counter-accusations" counter-propaganda by the guilty children of the Fortune 500 Liberal Trotsky-ite crowd. Please tell me that the George Clooney, Brad Pitt, name-any-Hollywood-producer limousine crowd are "down" with ordinary people.
Look, man, losing touch can begin anywhere, including believing one's own propaganda. Mr. Mamet just woke up, realized he'd grown up, and stopped believing the fairy tales he'd absorbed by osmosis from having lived his life in the salt-bath of wealthy guilty liberalism whose goal is to give away every one else's money to pay off their own survivor guilt. If you want Mr. Mamet's most recent set of essays, I double-dare you to actually read Mamet's book, "The Secret Knowledge: On the Dismantling of American Culture" [Sentinel/Penguin Books, 2011]. The best quote is "The struggle of the Left to rationalize its positions is an intolerable, Sisyphean burden. I speak as a reformed Liberal." Happy reading!
There's hope for you, Deeddr.
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Deeddr 03/13/2012 1:53:00 AM
Let's see, Mamet got wealthy, lost touch and became a Republican. I am shocked and surprised! Not.
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03/08/2012 8:11:00 AM
sorry that you want your cock sucked by the govt
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03/08/2012 8:10:00 AM
if you think the govt is the way to go, time to get rid of all of you. freedom, not communisim
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03/08/2012 8:09:00 AM
The only good liberal is a dead one.
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02/29/2012 6:03:00 AM
"What about the role of government? Well, in the abstract, coming from my time and background, I thought it was a rather good thing, but tallying up the ledger in those things which affect me and in those things I observe, I am hard-pressed to see an instance where the intervention of the government led to much beyond sorrow."
I do believe that Mr. Mamet has had a stroke. Funny that we couldn't "work it out" to abolish slavery or end its evil child, segregation. Mr. Mamet may not require Medicare or Social Security. He may have never needed a student loan. Or clean drinking water. The list is too long to list.
And for all of government's missteps and failings, I have just one thing to say. Government IS us. It consists of our friends, our neighbors, our relatives, our children. It's too easy to treat it as an evil, faceless entity. Public policy is made through compromise. It's imperfect. If you feel like it treats you impersonally, that's because it treats you the same as everybody else. It has to.
It's amazing to praise the founding fathers for setting up a system of check and balances and then summarily dismissing it as nothing more than sorrow-provoking.
Mr. Mamet may no longer consider himself a brain-dead liberal, but I would argue that he has really only removed "liberal" from that self-description.
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Jill 02/26/2012 4:27:00 PM
Hitchens shouldn't be the one to talk. He's dead.
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02/18/2012 3:55:00 PM
Gawd, get an education, son. Mamet's not trying to imitate 'street talk'. Maybe you should go back and find some PBS productions of his PLAYS and maybe even read a book about David Mamet--he began as a PLAYWRIGHT. His PLAYS employ an ergot of ethnic American vernacular boiled down to a symbolic polyvernacular meant to signify CLASS identity, not 'street' anything. Very few of his plays take place on the street, but in bars, offices, gentleman's clubs, storefronts, etc. The dialogue is highly stylized, because the dialogue is a key to the THEMES of his plays as well as the class conflict between and inside of the characters. He carried that ergot over to his films, usually with brilliant effect. Check out this link to one of the most astounding and electrifying things Alec Baldwin has done on film--a Mamet character in Glengarry Glen Ross. Don't judge it by some stupid movie Mamet did to pay his mansion mortgage but by one of his better works: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-AXTx4PcKI)
Mamet is a lot of things, a lot of them worthy of critique, but one thing he aint is mediocre. You can call Mamet a jerk, but yo, Boy, his work ain't a jerk. Get an education
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02/17/2012 6:47:00 AM
I just looked this guy up on Wikipedia after watching a really bad movie he directed, Heist. I have also watched movies he has written which are just fucking terrible. Most of the time he doesn't know what he is talking about. His "Mamet Speech", his dialogue for characters in his movies, is so ridiculous. It's suppose to be street talk. No one talks like he has his characters speaking. The guy is a show business pussy who thinks he knows how to make people, characters in his movies, talk tough and hip. What a schmuck.
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02/16/2012 7:11:00 AM
Adam, the more I re-read your comment the more I think you have said a great deal that speaks to me in only a few words, showing how verbose my own and others' comments have been. Yet, here's another verbose comment (I can't help it):
Being older and still an African American social leftist liberal myself, I nevertheless have to admit I sure ain't the wide eyed leftist I was when I was twenty. Liberal thought has lost of lot of the hopefulness of the era of John Maynard Keynes and of Sargent Shriver, and I have definitely developed a great many conservative perspectives on liberal ideology. Black nationalism, which has influenced my political thinking, never really saw liberalism asn anything but White supremacy anyway, but that absolutist view strikes me as historical blindness, because the liberal tradition achieved a great deal for African Americans, and had many noble African American participants, such as Adam Clayton Powell and Fanny Lou Hamer (http://youtu.be/G-RoVzAqhYk).
'Not all people are intrinsically good' is usually a hard speed bump to get over with our youthful idealism intact, and the loss of intelligent, articulate, and thoughtful fiscal conservatives in America (I think William F. Buckley was the last of that breed) has left a vacuum for LIBERAL thought--since there are fewer dedicated and thoughtful conservatives left to challenege and temper the social engineering excesses of 'gliberals'.
Too many current 'conservatives' aren't really conservative, but are whacked out social ractionaries calling for an American Talibanization of society. More and more conservatives want to shrink government down to the size that will enable a christo-fascist theocratic state to force government into women's wombs and force it down everyone else's throats.
Thus, too many liberals aren't really liberal but are gutless beaurocracy junkies. More and more liberals want to turn government into a cradle to grave big brother to hide in our cereal, watch us from our computers, and fly drones over our cities to track us with computer chips imbedded in our 'real ID' cards.
Anarchists think we don't need statism at all (hunting and gathering societies as a replacement with semi-autonomous cominterns as an alternative?? WTF?), while inveterately racist and wonkish libertarians seem to want soft monarchism allowing for drugs and alcohol for all except the Third World and Latin America, both of which should furnish Americans' slaves or suffer carpet bombing.
None of it seems worth believing in, and all of it seems like posturing over what is at root merely simple naked self-interest. Where is Richard Nixon when we really need him, is what I find myself thinking more and more as I get older, though I don't dare say that out loud among fellow liberals. What thay nostalgia over Nixon among liberals my age really means I guess is that there has so far been no real replacement on the populist left for Bobby Kennedy, the last real public liberal in national politics. Certainly, Obama the anti-constitution authoritarian corporate poodle is no Bobby Kennedy.
Still, I can't possibly embrace multinational corporations, Sarah Palin, and the religion of consumption boosted by Mamet, as any real or humane alternative. So hell, maybe hunting and gathering wouldn't be so bad after all....
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02/04/2012 12:29:00 AM
Apologies, Gregory, for not having been more clear. I had no intention of giving the impression that I saw you as a proxy for Mr. Mamet, nor that I know about or that my critique was directed toward, your experience. I meant rather the opposite, though I obviously expressed that sentiment poorly. In fact, I believe that if you read MY comments a bit more closely you will note that we are basically in agreement, you and I. When I said my experience is not yours, I meant it as a collective statement--I assume this to be the reality of Americans; that we are a prickly collection of people in a pot that shall never melt us, an absolute diversity of citizens often with little in common personally from region to region, ethnicity to ethnicity, with little in common amongst or in our origins, urban and rural identity, religious affinity, and political compulsions. My suppositions were awkwardly aimed at Mamet, not at you. "My lived experience is not yours," is a collective statement and a blazon that is to my mind the very object of our citizenship in this most unique country and culture on Earth--a modern capitalist democracy composed of persons from all over the Earth bound mostly by a shared set of institutionalized social principles that are not just pronounced in the classroom or in our blogs but anchored in concrete things like that which was once a solid public education system, what was once a true tradition of investigative journalism, what was a profound cinematic and popular arts tradition, and what used to be a coherent, respected electoral system now under attack by Republican corruption and Democratic malaise.
However, I almost have to laugh at your admirably articulate amelioration of Mamet's almost dullard personalist dismissal of all the things I 'lengthily' cited of America's progressive history. I completely go along with YOU when you say:
"[what] I was particularly interested in, in my comment, is the fact that these conversions -- from wherever to wherever -- usually take quite a lot of time and lived experience, and that this actually doesn't jibe with the way we teach about argument, conviction and change of views in many of our classes and textbooks, even in forums and blogs for that matter. It's often presented as if facts are clear and unmistakable, and once they're presented to someone in a coherent manner, reason immediately makes them change their position. So, on a different level, a conflict between experience and unquestioned assumptions."
Indeed. I shall rethink some of what I wrote after reading you. But really now, do you imagine, re-reading Mamet's article and reading, as I have, his by now rather ubiquitous public statements about his clearly libertarian loss of faith in politics, his idealization of American military might, and his conversion, that David Mamet's article, "Why I Am No Longer a Brain Dead Liberal" has the thoughtfulness or the gravitas of your much more coherent musings?
For example, Mamet's book, "The Secret Knowledge" is a muddle of clearly simple minded idealism full of abstract disappointments in disregard of the yes, FACTUAL history I cited and that most people my age know from having "lived through it", a colloquy that should include Mamet, given his having been alive and awake through much of that history! But then libertarians tend to disregard what they ‘know’ of the collective national crimes, common sufferings, and the civic struggles of America in favor of the ideology of self that they adhere to. What we call fact, is that which can be substantiated by research, deduction, or the scientific method, all our lived experiences notwithstanding. I don't regard you or I as trading the much more naive currency of 'opinions', a currency now so popular among America's young minds, conditioned as they are by mass media to think everything just is a matter of 'opinion' and that every 'opinion' is equal and that nothing definite can be thought or said. Jefferson and Adams would reject such simple minded vulgarianism out of hand. Adams in fact wrote that if Americans ever sank to that, he wanted to disown such future generations a priori.
Yes, you are correct, the classroom is indeed an imperfect crucible for--the discourse of experiential growth either from left to right or right to left, but then Mamet's discourse is just as imperfect and far more troubling inasmuch as it enjoys the buoyancy of celebrity and thus has much greater currency in our society than I could ever have as an educator or a short-winded blogger. In his book Mamet indulges in the abstractions that yield profundity in dramaturgy but that lead to murky political tradecraft and murky political practice in a multicultural society that has fought the battles we have and that totters right now on the brink of losing our constitution and having our blood-earned gains punted backwards by a venal supreme court and a corrupted electoral system. His first chapter, "The Political Impulse" strikes me as a well-meaning, idealistic reduction of the very history I wrote about in some detail here (my writing was lengthy only in the context of the shorthand thinking that is common on the blurb-haunted internet, I would argue). His reductions, like those of his professed heroine Sarah Palin, lean troublingly toward the narrow personalism of a working class discomfort recalled from his own early career and strivings. Nothing particularly wrong with that, but it remains true that now and then, this libertarian impulse will be answered by people like me, reminding the libertarian mind of the wider collectivity of personal experiences amongst the collective some of whom took the opposite lesson from our struggles; a reminder that by necessity in a democracy, other voices will tend to counterweigh the compunctions of the wealthy, the celebrated, the influential, and yes, even the high profile successful artists, whose filtering of the national experience through his or her own experience veers from their early memories of ecstatic artistic struggle toward the later, rather more mundane resolution of Hollywood solipsism and of Hollywood's elitism, a sensibility that confesses itself without any irony to be more and more inured of corporations and of commercial consumption because corporations are necessary to satisfy the new 'apetites' that come with wealth. He may have made a progress from the floorboards of the repertory doing ‘Guys and Dolls’, to the wine list of some haught brasserie in Brentwood or in Miami Beach, but ultimately I don't really care how his motivations or lived experience took him a progress through the guts of we beggars. The point here is that I and many others won’t let pass without comment such a person’s public epithet that I and those like me are ‘brain dead’ because we took the opposite lesson.
In short, I tend to go along with Adam Miller's comment above, because I think it sums up Mr. Mamet's mind set as it does also Ron Paul's. Miller spoke to the point when he wrote:
"So he started life as an idealistic naive Liberal and ends it as an idealistic naive Conservative?"
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02/02/2012 2:53:00 PM
I think if you read my comment a bit more carefully, and read a few less assumptions into it, you might feel a bit differently about parts of your lengthy response.
Whose lived experience? I spoke about Mamet's. Not yours -- though I'm glad your experience has been more positive. Not my lived experience, either -- which you strangely seem to think you know something about, since as far as I can tell, we've never met or corresponded.
My main point was that Mamet was a good example of a person who moved from a "brain dead", simply ideologically held, position to a different one, and that the process involved gradually realizing a discrepancy between lived experience and the party line popular in the circles in which one moves.
In Mamet's case, that means moving from a liberal position to a basically position more libertarian than conservative. You seem to have jumped to a few conclusions from that.
Did I claim that the process would only work from left to right? No. Mamet is an individual, not humanity writ large. It's quite possible to go from being a brain-dead conservative to a more well-thought-out liberal position through the same confrontation between lived experience and party line. It possible to become disenchanted with two party politics and move towards a third party or disengage from American politics, or focus just on a local level -- all can come from the same process.
You seem to have assumed that I was lauding Mamet because he's joined what you think to be my side, or something like that -- and then took the opportunity to lecture me -- when you actually have no idea where I stand, nor could you from what I wrote. In fact, I'm neither a liberal, nor a conservative, nor a libertarian.
I don't doubt that you are in fact a thoughtful liberal whose lived experience corresponds well with your political views. Here, though, you don't act like one. Misreading someone, making all sorts of groundless assumptions about what they're saying, what their political views and motives are, talking down to them -- that does not strike me as exemplifying what can be good in thoughtful liberalism, nor as the sign of someone who holds pluralism to be a genuine value.
I'm willing to believe you just had a bad day, and read and wrote in an uncharacteristic manner.
what I was particularly interested in, in my comment, is the fact that these conversions -- from wherever to wherever -- usually take quite a lot of time and lived experience, and that this actually doesn't jibe with the way we teach about argument, conviction and change of views in many of our classes and textbooks, even in forums and blogs for that matter. It's often presented as if facts are clear and unmistakable, and once they're presented to someone in a coherent manner, reason immediately makes them change their position. So, on a different level, a conflict between experience and unquestioned assumptions. I'll be happy to continue conversation about those topics, if you want a conversation. Since I've explicitly made clear that I'm not endorsing Mamet's shift from left to right, but rather his shift from any "brain-dead" position to one more in line with lived experience, I don't see much point in arguing with you about the points you thought you needed to make to me in your comment.
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02/02/2012 1:45:00 AM
Well, bravo for Mamet, Gregory. I'm touched, I'm happy for him, long may he wave. But when it comes to your statement,
"the discrepancy between a party-line liberal interpretation and the more conservative- (or libertarian) reflective [of?] lived experience..."
I have to ask, exactly WHOSE 'lived experience' are you talking about?? Not mine, thank you. As for the 'brain dead' liberals, I hail them (from Roosevelt to Kennedy, to Johnson, and even Nixon, who was an old fashioned conservative!) because MY lived experience is not like yours: the works of America's liberals (and of Nixon) saved, sheltered, protected, and nurtured me. Their New Deal, their social security act, their fair housing legislation, their "Great Society" programs, their war on poverty, and their Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act mitigated some of the savage inequalities of twentieth century America and led to African American me receiving a fine undergraduate public education, escaping a grinding, demoralizing Detroit ghetto, and winning admittance to an Ivy League school (Cornell) where I took my graduate degrees.
All of which is to remind you, Gregory, that In a pluralistic society like the one right beneath your feet (assuming your feet are on the ground and not, like say Ron Paul's feet, up in the air), it is not just Mamet (or you) who matters. Mamet seems to have gone through the same sort of 'sea change' that the otherwise brilliant and articulate Christopher Hitchens lurched through a few years back once he'd attained a higher standard of living, fame, influence, a column in ESQUIRE (or was it VANITY FAIR?) and some truly expensive whisky: seems Hitchens had a need to realign his political values and his position on Palestine to an orientation that would more fully comport with his wet bar. One must suppose that truly good whisky and a Bel Air address have done the same for Mr. Mamet. Well, that's ok. Didn't happen that way with Sam Shepard once he got well heeled, even WITH Jessica Lange's lusciousness thrown in, but anyhow, Mamet seems to have found his true political self, vis a vis "National Palestine Radio," ok. No hard feelings. Pace, Non nocet.
The nouveau riche jaundiced eye turned toward our nation's institutions, 'organs' and flaws becomes megalomania only at the point that one or another of these sea changers, or their boosters, think that they are speaking the wrack-and-ruin 'truth' about America being no longer valid or liberalism being over. The validation for their claims seems to grow like the hairs on their own heads, straight up out of their own hypothetical 'lived experience.' It becomes megalomaniacal and it becomes insufferably presumptuous, only when they think that their own libertarian disaffection speaks for everyone, or for anyone other than themselves.
Personally, I have always suspected that my libertarian friends are, when you scratch their surfaces, not much more than Republicans naming themselves 'libertarians' simply because they are arch conservatives who don't wish to give up drugs and sex, or their Ozzie Osborn record collection from the 80's. Too many of them want to 'shrink government' down to the size that will allow them to then use it as a bullet to kill women's rights and the rights of the poor while they water and prune their own right to smoke pot.
I too, often tire of the smarmy and smug mediocrity NPR too often slips into with the cloying brass bumper music and the corny irony. When I feel that way, however, I simply switch to MSNBC, and sometimes even FOX, and sometimes even SIRIUS SATELLITE--it's the free market of ideas, you see? Capitalism doesn't promise us perfection, only choice. I too am disaffected by America's mediocrity, but I for one, much like Frederick Douglass, am not at all disaffected with democracy. I assert my abiding hope for NPR, for electoral politics and even for the eventuality that one day the masses too, might be able to enjoy truly good whisky as well as enjoying a return to the 25% and higher tax rate on the wealthy that existed under Republican, Eisenhower, enjoying national health care, and enjoying full employment and a return to the sanity of the progressive tax system that is America's, destroyed by yapping Republicans for the sake of their wealthy corporate handlers (with help of course from the 'bluedog' democrats, muzzled by the same handlers, who ran with the Republican coup).
Why am I so stubbornly hopeful? A quick check of the history of ancient Rome or of ancient Persia or of contemporary Syria will reassure anyone who's thinking anyway, that bad faith, corruption, and tainted political leadership are as old as humanity and as near at hand as CNN's last report from Damascus, and that in fact, America is not NEARLY as odious as it could be. Not yet.
Let's see if we can avoid the iceberg. Let's avoid the things that we know can accrue from irresponsibly burning our own seed corn by giving in to the sort of cynicism so often espoused in ancient Rome by the war mongering xenophobe, Cato, whom American libertarians so admire; the same cynicism peddled by some among the so-called libertarians who think freedom is a tailored pair of socks meant only for their own imperial feet. Let's wait for the next election, for example, or even the one after that, before throwing NPR out with the bath water, shall we?
Just because we can see it looming up ahead doesn't mean we should steer TOWARD the iceberg. Let's agree to disagree, as I vehemently do disagree with you, Gregory, but let's not stop electing representatives to express that disagreement FOR us within a rational, legislative, judicial, and executive framework of laws and of political institutions under our precious constitution (in other words, lets abolish the Patriot Act, and Obama's latest cynical attack on our constitution with his totalitarian defense authorization bill shenanigans). Do let's; because the alternative is to express our disagreement the old fashioned way, with sticks and stones.
Last I heard, those things will break your bones.
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01/30/2012 6:14:00 AM
So he started life as an idealistic naive Liberal and ends it as an idealistic naive Conservative? I mean his great epiphany is that "not all people are intrinsically good", "not all corporations are evil and the military is not essentially bad", and that "the government often screws up even when its intentions are good." Bravo. Took you 50 years to get to where most liberals are by their late 20's.
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01/07/2012 1:19:00 AM
Bless you, Professor Waller! Your words are poetry to me. Mr. Mamet’s loss of faith in the Liberal vision does not necessarily imply loss of faith in America. As a critic stated, he’s learned from his experience.
I’ve only lately, in my fifth decade of life, become a student of history. I have had the privilege of two assignments in the DC area, where I’ve taken just about every free moment to take in what I could of our shared heritage. For me, the Lincoln Memorial is the true centerpoint of American History. The Gettysburg Address, his Second Inaugural, and the spot from which Dr. King transformed our national dialogue with his “I have a Dream” speech are all there. My lily-white suburban parents visited an AME Church in downtown Detroit to hear Dr. King speak in the early 1960’s. While I am a conservative, I went to the J. Thomas Newsome House in Newport News, VA on ML King Day a couple of years ago. While I was there, a Colonial Williamsburg reenactor and educator described to me how even now, visitors used racial epithets against those with courage to teach about our past. She pointed out that Lawyer Newsome, an African American, campaigned tirelessly in the early 1900’s for the Newport News City Council to bring electrification, schools, water and sewers to the predominantly Black section of town as well as Uptown. She showed me there is obviously more work to be done, and that there is hope.
All of us have our perspectives and prejudices—this is part of being human. I want each of the young people I work with to make it in life, not merely one group over another. Here’s hoping our national and personal dialogue is civil, constructive, and united around the goal of leaving this country, which I have served for over twenty years, a better place for all our children and their children after them.
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01/06/2012 4:18:00 PM
It's interesting to see that, for Mamet, the process of moving from one ideology to another (and one viewed as more adequately reflecting reality) took so long, required attention to the discrepancy between a party-line liberal interpretation and the more conservative- (or libertarian) reflective lived experience, and then finally was catalyzed by writing about the subject of politics.
If Mamet is fairly typical -- and I think in this respect he is -- it provides a good example of how revising one's political position, assumptions, and sensibilities actually takes place for many people -- very different from the model of conviction and reassessment assumed in our classes dealing with argumentation and in our cultural narratives about basic changes of viewpoint.
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01/05/2012 2:34:00 AM
Bless you, Sir! Your words are poetry to me.
I’ve only lately, in my fifth decade of life, become a student of history. I have had the privilege of two assignments in the DC area, where I’ve taken just about every free moment to take in what I could of our shared heritage. For me, the Lincoln Memorial is the true centerpoint of American History. The Gettysburg Address, his Second Inaugural, and the spot from which Dr. King transformed our national dialogue with his “I have a Dream” speech are all there. My lily-white suburban parents visited an AME Church in downtown Detroit to hear Dr. King speak in the early 1960’s. While I am a conservative, I went to the J. Thomas Newsome House in Newport News, VA on ML King Day a couple of years ago. While I was there, a Colonial Williamsburg reenactor and educator described to me how even now, visitors used racial epithets against those with courage to teach about our past. She pointed out that Lawyer Newsome, an African American, campaigned tirelessly in the early 1900’s for the Newport News City Council to bring electrification, schools, water and sewers to the predominantly Black section of town as well as Uptown. She showed me there is obviously more work to be done, and that there is hope.
All of us have our perspectives and prejudices—this is part of being human. I want each of the young people I work with to make it in life, not merely one group over another. Here’s hoping our national and personal dialogue is civil, constructive, and united around the goal of leaving this country, which I have served for over twenty years, a better place for all our children and their children after them.
Lincoln was flawed, politically shrewd, and very human. But few have summarized our challenges and our hopes better than his Second Inaugural Address [http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=38]:
“Fondly do we hope—fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-men’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn by the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.”
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“With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan—to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations.”
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01/05/2012 2:32:00 AM
Bless you, Sir! Your words are poetry to me.
I’ve only lately, in my fifth decade of life, become a student of history. I have had the privilege of two assignments in the DC area, where I’ve taken just about every free moment to take in what I could of our shared heritage. For me, the Lincoln Memorial is the true centerpoint of American History. The Gettysburg Address, his Second Inaugural, and the spot from which Dr. King transformed our national dialogue with his “I have a Dream” speech are all there. My lily-white suburban parents visited an AME Church in downtown Detroit to hear Dr. King speak in the early 1960’s. While I am a conservative, I went to the J. Thomas Newsome House in Newport News, VA on ML King Day a couple of years ago. While I was there, a Colonial Williamsburg reenactor and educator described to me how even now, visitors used racial epithets against those with courage to teach about our past. She pointed out that Lawyer Newsome, an African American, campaigned tirelessly in the early 1900’s for the Newport News City Council to bring electrification, schools, water and sewers to the predominantly Black section of town as well as Uptown. She showed me there is obviously more work to be done, and that there is hope.
All of us have our perspectives and prejudices—this is part of being human. I want each of the young people I work with to make it in life, not merely one group over another. Here’s hoping our national and personal dialogue is civil, constructive, and united around the goal of leaving this country, which I have served for over twenty years, a better place for all our children and their children after them.
Lincoln was flawed, politically shrewd, and very human. But few have summarized our challenges and our hopes better than his Second Inaugural Address [http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=38]:
“Fondly do we hope—fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-men’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn by the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.”
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“With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan—to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations.”
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01/04/2012 9:17:00 AM
Bravo, Davey. Although I do not agree with everything you say, I certainly do agree with your intelligent expression of a fervent hope those of us who love American Democracy feel right now in this age of mendacity, on this morning after the Iowa Caucuses.
My way of understanding the hope you've given voice to so well , is to see it as a hope that all the possibilities of our Democracy be allowed to flourish. It seems to me that one wealthy playwright/screenwriter/director's loss of faith certainly doesn't bear a candle against the burning lamp of We The People, that your words have taken a torch from.
As you have implied, Justice would bring America a well-earned punishment for its crimes and its transgressions, but Mercy might be far more fortunate for us all and for the entire world. 'God's justice does not sleep forever' as you have quoted from Jefferson's denunciation of slavery, a quote that appears at greater length on the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC. It is crucial to remember, as I suspect you know, that his denunciation was not just of slavery, an iniquity in which he himself participated, but was a deeper denunciation, of slavocracy, which he opposed through legislation he supported as president, and as governor of Virginia. Slavocracy is an entire system of economic and social organization which he saw as a corruption that would eventually maim The American State and thus poison even those at liberty. He was essentially warning that the debasement of the ‘common people’—such as the young people, Black, White, Yellow, and Red, now “occupying” America—would be our punishment. The quote ends with his appeal not just to America's responsibility to Blacks, but to “the common people”, urging that Americans be EDUCATED.
So though Justice might be proper, Mercy might work a better balm for this planet right now than Justice, as you've said, Davey. America, corrupt though We The People have allowed it to become, wreathed though it has been in its crimes and iniquities, was nevertheless put on its feet by visionaries like Jeffeson, Adams, Hamilton, and the rest of those men in that sweltering hall in Philadelphia, to become the embodiment of a principle of great importance. It is the same principle enshrined in Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, a document that freed my people and ushered us into American citizenship.
That principle is the REASON that we vote. We vote despite bad faith, we vote despite disappointment, even the disappointment of our artists such as that suffered by David Mamet. We vote despite corruption, we vote indeed as an act of struggle AGAINST corruption. Lincoln was a flawed politician (historical evidence points to his having freed the slaves not out of magnanimity but out of a pragmatic desire to deal a blow against his enemies, the southern states); yet, the principle that the Emancipation Proclamation symbolizes is larger than that, larger than he, larger than you or I. That principle ought to encompass left and right and center, you and I, those we agree with as well as those we oppose, ought to encompass even Mr. Mamet in his cynicism, all of us united by our system of self-government and of self-rule ('a nation of LAWS not of MEN').
The hope we who are loyal to Democracy maintain is that our nation's ideals still might be realized, that our better angels might still prevail, and we might be able to speak to one another through the instruments of our Democracy without rancor or cynicism or civil bloodshed, and govern ourselves like The People to whom Jefferson handed down a legacy, not tear ourselves to pieces like The Mob that Hitler sought to exploit.
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01/04/2012 2:23:00 AM
Professor Waller, thank you for teaching the essential but much-ignored discipline of civics. Mamet's recitation of separation of powers, and its practical benefits, are what I find refreshing. A common concern among the lay public is that despite constitutional checks-and-balances, it's all going to be stolen from us by those wealthier, better connected, and more subversive/ruthless than most of us. Whether it's the current administration's crony capitalism with GE CEO on his cabinet (OBTW, BP was the President's biggest campaign donor...), or Bush II's more talked-about affinity with technocrats and Big Oil, if money is speech, only those with the most money will be heard. I'm not sure whether the Occupy movement (from the well-funded totalitarian Marxist Left) or the various T.E.A. Parties (from the living on the edge of insolvency Right) will be enough to disrupt the relationship between Big Money (Soros on the Left vs. Kahn Brothers on the Right) and policy. The grand ideal of self-governance does take a lot of effort, but it also takes a HUGE change of heart (dare we say REPENTANCE?) on the part of those currently the in-power status quo. Self-control depends on morality and religious conscience (see the ENTIRE text of President Washington's farewell speech).
Thomas Jefferson stated, "God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever." It's been said we get the government we deserve. On the night of the Iowa Caucuses, here's hoping we get Mercy rather than Justice...
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01/02/2012 10:14:00 AM
Most would surely admit that our current DC goverment is more a System Of Bribes, (SOBs) where the wealthy/corporate/union special interest group lobbyists determine what legislation is proposed or passed by using their huge fincancial pressure on the voting members of Congress, enough so to get the legislation normally preferred by the most powerful group of this lot, meaning the of, by and for the people that our forefathers wrote into our Constitution simply doesn't exist, and hasen't existed for several decades since the foreneamed special interest group/lobbyists took over the American political process. Of course we could eliminate the SOBs by having our Congress pass a bill that would limit all political donations to $100 to any politician during any election cycle. If we don't take the Big Money out of our election and legislation process, only the voice of Big Money will determine our government actions.
Secondly, the free capitalism, Mr. Mamet mentioned, also mainly died when the energy and health care industries started to mainly function like monopolies, and since the average worker will spend about one-third of their spendable income on the services and products of the forenamed industries, we as a nation are no longer enjoying the free market forces that led to creating the highest number of middle class people in world history.
NOTE: 100 years ago, millions of farmers competed to give us a fair price for hay, the fuel for our horses. Today, mainly 10 giant oil companies will determine the price of our fuel for our vehicles for our entire planet. And while every main technology has advanced more than tenfold, for over 100 years the carbon combustion engine is still the main power system for over 96% of the vehicles that operate in our world.
And as to health care, it is unlawful for health care companies to compete across state lines, if this law was struck down, health care costs would porbably be reduced by over 30%, and prevent the monopolistic system that this law created in the first place.
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Prof Waller 12/28/2011 4:47:00 PM
Chootee, as one of 'the mob' upon whom democracy (δημοκρατία) bestows self rule, I might remind you, Brother, that a fundamental requirement of demacracy as concieved by the founders of this nation is that the 'mob' must be educated before they are allowed to rule--in this time honored way, the 'mob' (the poor, the underclasses, the proletariate) are conditioned and prepared for the task and responsibility of ruling their democracy. It is much the same divine principle that ought to guide our system of politics itself: a free press is the 'guard dog' of democracy, the prerequisite needed to avoid public corruption; we have managed, unfortunately, to make a pathetic failure of that requirement as well.
If you cannot trust this Jeffersonian (that's Jefferson of Virginia, or at least Cleisthenes of Athens) type of conceptualization of the responsibilities of self rule, then I submit to you and to the whinning Mr. Mamet, that you two ought to resign from participating in a system you so despise and be quick about it, rather than me giving up my freedom of thought, freedom of action, and freedom of self determination through the vote (and believe me, my parochial friend, in a democracy, if we can't find anyone worth our vote (as is the case now) it's because we've been stupid and lazy, just as our own laziness is to blame for allowing the destruction of the public education that ought to fulfill the first principle of democracy--educating the masses so that they are a people, not a mob).
Please consult that very same Village Voice's most recent editions for some extremely encouraging developments among that 'mob' who are in fact my students, (as I am a university professor who teaches the above mentioned principles) It is of course, the "Occupy Movement' of which I speak, which, to be fair to Mr. Mamet, did not exist in 2008 when he wrote his original missive, as opposed to your own having been written only a month or so ago (shame on you, or am I mistaken about the time sequences? one never knows with these online confabs) Bad though most American newspapers are, newspapers do still exist--including The Voice.
Democracy, because it so easily degenerates into the mess we have now, because it requires constant vigilance and hard mental and physical work, because it contains in its very ideals the seeds of its own destruction, is indeed, as my learned high school history teacher Mr. Geibel taught me, 'the worst possible form of government--except for all the rest of them'.
No "LOL". Just the truth: we have no one to blame for our failure to live up to democracy but ourselves. There is nothing remiss, Brother, about the great goddess, we simply do not deserve her. But then men are always in the habit, aren't we, of blaming the woman for our own inability to live up to her demands?
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11/28/2011 12:33:00 AM
Maybe workable for you. But those who do not want to participate in the never ending dialectic compromise, thesis-antithesis=new thesis and have our own values and worldview would prefer otherwise. And no good reason why we can't both have the systems we want, live according to our own worldviews.
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11/28/2011 12:29:00 AM
Uh, don't look now, but that is exactly what we are currently ruled by: big crooks and thugs. Only we get to VOTE for the "right" thugs, LOL! It is illogical to fear that without state aggression you will be subject to bullies and thugs but NOT fear the political class when endowed with a monopoly on aggression which gives them absolute power and liberty. People are people. Currently it appears that the political class is quite a bit LESS moral than the average joe, so I'm not seeing the positives in "democratic controls" that you do. They just haven't come after you yet, or you are part of that class. BTW, the US is supposed to be a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy (mob rule), the founders feared democracy. As far as the "cvhecks and balances, the courts are creating law, the congress has abdicated to the executive branch which has cursed us with an army of unelected , unaccountable administrative bureaucrats who also write law.....or rather, enforce corporate written law against us.
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11/28/2011 12:19:00 AM
Mamet has discovered the truth of the Doctrine of Original Sin, but he hasn't traveled far enough along the path to call it that. That's OK, it doesn't make it any less true whatever it's called. Constitutionalism has been a failure, currently nothing but an ignored irrelevancy, trotted out when the rulers get too open in their aggressions, increasingly even that small respite is denied us. It seems that all the celebrated checks and balances are are the same side: the state, the Sword of force. Friedman and Sowell are simply acceptable versions of freemarketers, meaning they are not really free market when it is important, they reside comfortably within the Dialectic. True free marketers are Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe, the Austrians. Here's hoping Mamet doesn't stop at Neocon-Town and call it home. It all comes down to where do you place your faith, God and His laws or the rules of men?
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Gary 10/12/2011 11:32:00 PM
As an educator, I see many groups that manage to come to good, workable solutions from polarized positions. I have been a jury foreman twice and experienced the wisdom of a non-led legal system
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Kandothat 10/11/2011 3:42:00 AM
Huh?, constitution is brilliant but government/union, with power, is not? He says play well get done faster withoutndirector...but as soon as director leaves, some one else will assume the role.
Without a leader with enforcement powers, chaos, biggest thugs rule..without democratic controls of the leader, without checks and balances, leader becomes biggest thug. Someone will always be in power, in every relation, in every family, in very nation...anarchy is not the answer but rather checking that power, putting it under democratic controls that damp down special elite interests for tkainf too much of the power, and that tend to promote the common good is our only hope
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John Arden 10/10/2011 5:26:00 PM
Now a brain-dead crank.
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Whs8360 10/05/2011 3:59:00 AM
That's harsh, but probably true
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veritas censor 09/24/2011 11:58:00 PM
It seems very well reasoned to me. Do you have a good counterargument, or just the usual hipster insults like "douchey" and "tea bagger?"
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veritas censor 09/24/2011 11:55:00 PM
War is simply politics by another means, the process of who gets what.
Would the left prefer an Islamist theocracy? Or a Stalinist regime that guarantees "full employment?" Or perhaps such "workers' paradises" as Greece or Spain?
Judging by their continual, sanctimonious disparaging of their own nation, yes. The left would prefer some sort of elitist tyranny to the Western, capitalist democracy.
No government that controls its economy can be a democracy. It just doesn't happen, historically or logically. And no democracy or republic can exist if there is no bourgoise. Removing an educated, skilled middle and upper middle class results in just two classes - aristocrats, and proletarians.
Destroy economic/property rights - through heavy taxation, burdensome regulation, or fines, fees, and tolls - and you'll soon lose your political rights as well.
To say otherwise is to be dangerously naive, or to desire to be part of the tyranny. Or both.
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09/22/2011 10:47:00 AM
Nothing new here. ("Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." --Churchill) Obviously, Mamet has made his living. After that, there's nothing to do but help others.
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guest 09/21/2011 6:14:00 PM
"Ah, there you go, extravagant as ever! Why can you not be rational? You never manage to take the middle course, it seems, but jump instead between absurd extremes."
-Tartuffe
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spudsmackenzie 09/13/2011 12:12:00 AM
and they are just like your A$$hole - no one wants to hear about it.
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09/09/2011 11:58:00 AM
yeah, i almost, in the 80s, fell for the Libertarian line. It is disconcerting when someone as intelligent and talented as mr. mamet is seduced by the narcissistic POV and doublespeak. it is like he totally forgot the addiction to McCarthyism and the Cold War that has turned many of us into Ayn Rand cultists, some painting a religious facade on it. it is also like he forgot what Ike said too, and all the trillions stolen from our hide to run imperialist wars.
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Relio Gostino 09/07/2011 3:07:00 PM
It's not "original?" Ugh! How gauche! One must always be original... unless he's a Cultural Marxist, fueled by America's traditional susceptibility to Utopianism. Then he wouldn't have to be original, because that kind of thinking never gets old!
Liberal "Progressivism" is the hard-core and irrational addiction to "le meme chose;" It disguises this with "plus change." Hope-n-change!
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Rmc2vcu03 09/06/2011 10:10:00 AM
I'm not surprised most of the liberals posting on here are too slow on the uptake to get what Mamet is saying.
Brain dead may in fact be an understatement.
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JC 09/02/2011 2:32:00 AM
American Teabagger.
Mamet has always had a douche-y Libertarian streak. This "conversion" isn't very surprising. Or original.
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Older and Wiser 08/31/2011 5:55:00 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed this piece. This is an approximate recounting of the journey I made from unquestioning liberal to enthusiastic conservative to my current position somewhere between.
When we are young, we think young. The world is full of heroes and villains, we are the (self-)righteous judges assigning labels to all we survey.
Reality finally manages to get a toehold. Those who are unafraid to change their position are forced to admit that their right-vs-left dogma is fantasy. Unfortunately, most people are past their prime by the time they experience this epiphany, and the ruling powers are comprised of still-deluded and very self-righteous youngsters.
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08/31/2011 4:40:00 PM
@NYTimeskrugman Such binary views disappoint, sir.
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08/21/2011 8:21:00 PM
Christopher Hitchens wrote a scathing criticism of the logical leaps this guy makes.
"This is an extraordinarily irritating book, written by one of
those people who smugly believe that, having lost their
faith, they must ipso facto have found their reason."
"Would that this were the only sign of the deep confusion
that is all that alleviates Mamet’s commitment to the one-
dimensional or the flat-out partisan."
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS.
BTW, being a brain-dead libertarian/conservative isn't the only alternative to being a brain-dead liberal.
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08/21/2011 8:18:00 PM
DURP DURP AH LAHKS DEM TALKIN POINTS
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08/21/2011 8:17:00 PM
When you're Secretary of State, you don't need a bunch of poor negroes to rig your rolls.
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08/21/2011 8:16:00 PM
Nope, Karl Rove did.
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08/21/2011 8:13:00 PM
LOL missing the point.
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08/19/2011 6:43:00 AM
One of the problems of liberalism -- the arrogance.
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Synaesthesiac 08/15/2011 5:18:00 AM
the irony of these comments is that most of the supporting voices come across as distinctly less intelligent than mamet, while most of the voices in opposition are clearly at least as intelligent as he is.
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08/07/2011 2:22:00 PM
Good advice! Just as some folks should try opening their brains!
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08/05/2011 4:47:00 PM
Nice Strawman, Koger.
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Greg Buffington 07/31/2011 8:35:00 PM
Most "rules and regulations" are not designed to reign in big corporations. Our system of election campaigns and political parties was grafted onto the constitutional system and it is a “pay to play” system. Large Corporations “contribute” to politicians to create barriers to entry from new players (to reduce competition). The Chinese send us toys with lead paint. Large Toy Manufacturers have legislation passed requiring that every component of a toy be lab tested. Only manufacturers with large production runs can afford this. It drives small toy manufacturers out of business. The purpose of the legislation was not to protect the public, but to destroy small firms. Most “licensing” legislation and “testing” requirements were bought and paid for by business associations to create similar barriers to entry. Therefore, the notion that government will pass regulatory legislation to protect the public from corporate greed is completely wrong-headed. The purpose of regulatory legislation is to enhance the market share of large corporations and the power of large unions and therefore to fuel their greed, not to protect us from their avarice.
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Guest 07/31/2011 6:00:00 PM
You mentioned that "After the Civil war [...] 16 black representatives were elected into Congress and even one was made Speaker of the House; EVERY one of them was a Republican."
Of course they were. The newly formed Republican party was the liberal party back then.
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Jill_H 07/31/2011 7:39:00 AM
Whenever President Obama tries to see an issue both ways, to give a nod to the other side, conservative pundits declare him "weak" and "unable to defend his beliefs."
He keeps doing it, though. Maybe years from now, people will be able to look back and see that proved to actually live his liberal ideals.
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Jack_Z 07/31/2011 7:26:00 AM
Ideally, policing of the regulators is crowdsourced - to the voters.
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MissJill 07/31/2011 7:24:00 AM
I agree with this well-stated point, "the greed that is most destructive is the greed that has the power of law behind it." That's why I worry so much when conservatives want to make it legal for corporations to be as greedy as they can.
Also, Liberals don't believe in an unchecked, supposedly-righteous government; or if some do, it isn't the majority. I agree with Mamet that the constitution, with its system of checks-and-balances, is a great way to (try to) keep humanity in check, and I don't see Liberals trying to undo that system. I do see conservatives trying to let corporations go unchecked, or police themselves, under the guise of the "trickle-down economy" i.e. some strange belief that corporations' success means jobs for everyone and a thriving economy. Actually, the more unchecked corporations become, the bigger the class divide becomes.
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MissJill 07/31/2011 7:13:00 AM
You mention, "I'm on the side that believes in God, country, family." I'm not sure which side you mean, though. As a Christian, I know my God asks us to sacrifice our own riches to heal the sick and feed the poor, but when America's government tries to do the same, conservatives call it "socialism" (rather than "Christian" or "loving") and treat it as if it were somehow against God's will, rather than following it.
I don't know though, maybe your copy says different stuff. Maybe in your version God says you should look after your own at the expense of your neighbors.
I agree with Mamet that humans are naturally self-serving, not really good at heart. That's why I'm a liberal.
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Bradford_529 07/25/2011 3:34:00 PM
I didn't know ACORN helped conservatives steal elections. I think you are confused.
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Ifly73 07/21/2011 4:31:00 PM
The article is very inciteful and his book is even better. I strongly recommend "The Secret Knowledge" by David Hamet
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Harry Kershner 07/19/2011 10:44:00 PM
I love your work. However, the political spectrum includes more than "conservative" and "liberal". Try reading anarchists.
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07/19/2011 1:54:00 PM
Infact , everybdy have their onw opoinion
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07/18/2011 10:22:00 PM
Obviously, not every commentator, journalist or author has cornered the truth on every angle or every topic, but when I first read Mamet "Brain-Dead" essay I found his observations to be fairly cogent and insightful. Artists sometime see things from angles that others don't. That doesn't always make them right, but it often provides perspectives and explanations that we might not normally see or hear. Looking forward to reading his book.
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V Koger 07/18/2011 4:49:00 PM
Floridas vote was manipulated prior to the actual election by purging thousands of voters from the voter rolls, not allowing them to cast a vote at all.
The same thing is happening right now in about 36 states where local governments are creating new laws designed to impede many tens of thousands more from getting to the polling booth.
However if your interest is to only have elected officials that mirror your point of view instead of the multi-faceted conflict that ensures our democracy works (great or pitiful) then continue to reassure yourself until we finally play out that path and watch our country be plundered into a self righteous relic.
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V Koger 07/18/2011 4:33:00 PM
What a strangely simplistic point of view. Your assumption is that your original cynical position actually represents liberals - it does not. Instead of embracing the opinions of your current reads, try losing the cynicism and open your heart.
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Foxeeladee 07/18/2011 1:27:00 PM
Plus, he did not "out" a CIA agent.
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Laurie 07/17/2011 1:34:00 PM
Marmot allows me to begin to understand how I went from what my son used to refer to as a ' bleeding heart liberal' to a conservative. I love and envy the way he writes and plan to read his books. Never imagined finding him in the Village Voice'.
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07/17/2011 11:53:00 AM
This is nice post which I was awaiting for such an artice and I have gained some useful information from this site. Thanks for sharing this information.
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07/17/2011 7:41:00 AM
Nicely done, very impressive. Keep up the good work and of course, keep sharing your ideas.
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07/13/2011 11:02:00 PM
D: Smith wrote that there are some things that private enterprise is simply not suited for, but that there are many more things for which government is not suited for. And when government and private enterprise get in one another's business, it is bad for both as well as the public at large.
As far as the government "guiding" the invisible hand, perhaps you are confusing what Smith actually said with Noam Chomsky's criticism of Smith. I personally think that, the metaphorical hand being invisible, government cannot know where it is and what it is doing, making any supposed guidance nothing more guesswork interference based in ignorance and a desire for control and power. The most we can know about the hand is where it has been and what it has habitually done there. :-)
Chomsky's best observation was that "the business classes have regularly called for state intervention to protect them from market forces," while at the same time citing Smith as a reason to reduce and eliminate regulation of their profitable activities. Government's failure to resist the call of the "too big to fail" (and their generous campaign donations) is government's failing, and ultimately the failing of the American people who elected these venal cretins in the first place, and not a failing of Smith or his "hand."
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07/13/2011 6:06:00 PM
He still hasn't finished his transformation. Much of what he believes of Bush simply isn't true but 'facts' created by the left, such as 'stealing' the election. Bush did no such thing as later counts proved and proved and proved. Let's hope that by this time [3 years later] he's completely purged himself of the brain rot.
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KennyB 07/13/2011 5:02:00 PM
Mr Mamet has finally discovered what is obviuos to every observer of history, but no liberal can seem to grasp -- that no corporation is capable of creating and sustaining widespread tryanny. That will always be the exclusive domain of governmnet.
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Na 07/12/2011 9:25:00 AM
Um your reading comprehension is quite poor. I believe the author noted that he likes living in America and that his view now coincide more fully with those who wrote its constitution.
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Biggregny 07/11/2011 7:46:00 PM
Lets stay in the 21st century please--enough with the bronze age mythology.
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Jazzy 07/11/2011 2:03:00 AM
do something with your life and quit with the class envy
you were born in the only country in the world where you are just one good idea
from becoming a millionaire
quit dwelling on the liberal [woe is me people=wimps] teachings and make something of yourself
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Jazzy 07/11/2011 1:52:00 AM
big frickin deal
he still can't give a speech without a teleprompter and thinks that there are 58 states
in the USA
he's another example of the brain dead elitest left commies
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Jazzy 07/11/2011 1:40:00 AM
amen brother
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Jazzy 07/11/2011 1:39:00 AM
another class warfare lib-tart
falling for the marxist class warfare bull
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Jazzy 07/11/2011 1:38:00 AM
OK I will and you keep on gulping that left-wing lib-tart commie kool-aid
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Jazzy 07/11/2011 1:37:00 AM
right on Chris
the left-wing kool-aid gulping,lib-tart is brain dead he has no clue that his lib-tart
dummocraps are the facists.
this lemming["lem" for short] probably NEVER did an ounce of research he was just told what to believe
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Bluefire07 07/10/2011 6:00:00 PM
Move out of the USA, then.
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Jjavitz67 07/09/2011 7:48:00 PM
Ah... philosophy. Philosophy written by people rich enough to philosophize all day. What rich people read to make themselves feel better about being rich.
Mamet's problem is that he fills his tap with with oil from one faucet and vinegar from the other, and he wonders why it doesn't taste like water.
The worst part is that it's not the politics that's the problem - it's his guilt.
Read Siddhartha.
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07/09/2011 12:34:00 PM
Right. Fascism. And the "progressives" are a skip and hop from Stalin Communism. See how THAT works for you. (Yeah, two can play that idiot name-calling game.)
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lem 07/09/2011 4:54:00 AM
Modern conservatism is a step away from fascism. See how well that works out for you, Mamet.
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Kewwlnurse 07/09/2011 4:47:00 AM
Yes, I believe you think what you believe, but do you really believe what you think. Keep on reading that ole' bible.
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07/06/2011 11:31:00 PM
Twentieth century's greatest play. Without bothering to go, Mailer called it a piece of garbage.
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Jrbar7 07/05/2011 5:32:00 PM
And you sir point to what examples of Socialism that stun your sensitivities as the bench mark of liberty and freedom?
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07/05/2011 1:31:00 PM
The argument in my play is between a president who is self-interested, corrupt, suborned, and realistic, and his leftish, lesbian, utopian-socialist speechwriter.