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obmode 03/23/2010 7:42:00 AM
the 2 protein hiv test is cross-reactive with flu shots according to a 2006 article in the new england journal of medicine - drug use, steroids, malaria and pregnancy will also cause the body to produce those 2 proteins. the research that hiv testing is based upon has been found to be fraudulent - see the documented evidence at www.fearoftheinvisible.com - also new award winning documentary out 2010 www.houseofnumbers.com - and videos in seven languages at www.youtube.com/hivquestions (and healing alternatives)
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Dawn Reel 10/03/2009 1:37:00 AM
I worked at Vera Institute of Justice. Not directly with ICC but in another project they had in Harlem. I turned over Vera records for a Harlem project to Legal Services (nonprofit legal nonprofit) out of concern for serious, racist (clients all Black in Harlem, Vera all white on E. 20's). I worked as the sole administrator for a low-income Vera housing project in Harlem for my work-study job as a theology student at Union Theological Seminary. The next day I was summoned down to Vera. The Executive Director of Vera Institute of Justice told me that my serious legal concerns irregardless, I was to be laid off because there was a "contradiction between by seminary background and my administrative role at Vera" -- in other words, no matter how serious Vera did wrong, I was supposed to keep criticism strictly internal to Vera. My Christian faith told me otherwise. Judge Bruce Wright adjudicated at a community board hearing on the matter and Vera Institute was fired as the administrator of the City-private partnership of this housing project in Harlem, and a Black-administrative housing management company put in as manager. The Vera Institute, and specifically Clara Haaga, the ED at the time, called me in on the carpet in their Grammercy Park digs, and fired me with the reasoning "their is a contradiction between your role as administrator with Vera Insitute and your role as a seminary student [at Union Theological Seminary]. I have kept this inside all these many decades, despite speaking openly & publicly about these truths. Thank you to the Village Voice for opening up this record so uninvestigated back in the days. The ICC received free capacity building for how to promote itself. Opponents were often pulled by an out-of-neighborhood reporter into a 2 minute conference and stereotyped as "the neighborhood opposition." When victims are so overwhelmingly Black and living in Harlem and interviewees like Vera so overwhelmingly White and based in Gramercy Park, and the Voice reporters at the time so based in nearby white Greenwich Village, the record is so incomplete. Thank you so much for a new report, with new reporters from new times open to interviewing new people, and especially the actual actors. Thank you.
Dawn Reel
New York City
cybergrace@gmail.com
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mimi pascual 06/15/2009 10:24:00 AM
If any one can put their money where their mouth is please contact me. We are available, I along with a hand-full of children who experienced ICC have been trying to get their medical records. Think people because these children been in clinical trial their entire life their medical records cost a substantial amount of money to produce. The children and my company Las Madrinas need your help.
Lasmadrinasltd@aol.com
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Elizabeth Ely 04/17/2009 10:54:00 PM
The Voice seems to have misplaced the "related stories" to this article. You can still access one of them, with comments, at:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/04/protest_at_the.php
This links to an embarrassing blog for the Voice, one they no doubt would like to bury, in which they are challenged to actually cover the science. The accuracy of the children's diagnoses matters if they're going to say that it was necessary to give them Black Box drugs to save their lives.
Also, the Voice is apparently standing by the bodycount of 25. It's at least 200.
Bloggers, don't let this go away. Keep commenting.
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Elizabeth Ely 04/16/2009 6:46:00 AM
Thanks, Dan. Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if JK is one of us. He's doing such a good job of showing how nutty the anti-thinking movement is; he even posted my notice for the letter-to-the-editor contest. I certainly never put anyone up to fake-blogging. He really should identify himself.
Seth Kalichman showed up on the other blog, the one where Tony Ortega tries so hard to defend himself from the massive onslaught of four of us middle-aged pooparoos handing out flyers in front of the Voice. I already got Kalichman kicked off Huffington for promoting his book over Christine's dead body, so he shows up here because the Voice already promoted itself that way. No problem, I think everyone should read his piece of trash to see just how bad it is.
And please, everyone, the Voice agrees: Don't let this story be "over." It's not. Protest everywhere you can until those medical records are released. First stop should be Bill de Blasio's office. Bill wants those records out, right, Bill? Some really noisy, political, pain-in-the-ass organic granola types are going to be right behind you, making sure you get what you say you want.
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Dan 04/16/2009 12:21:00 AM
Elizabeth,
the upside to this article - and even the commentary - is that the story isn't going away.
More and more people are reading this and finding out about it for the first time. People are going to Liam Scheff's website and checking out all the information there. No doubt people are looking at the questions raised about HIV tests and AIDS drugs.
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Elizabeth Ely 04/15/2009 11:31:00 PM
Who is JK anyway? Why don't you identify yourself by your real name and where you got your Ph.D. from? Aren't you ashamed to be defending this practice of kidnapping kids and force-drugging them? If you're proud, stand up and be identified. Are you black or Hispanic?
It's maddening enough that JK defines a lie as anything said by Peter Duesberg in a peer-reviewed journal article. Worse, though, he asserts this decade of research in which the AIDS babies were dying because "nothing worked!!!!" How do you define "working"? Please quantify this, with appropriate peer-reviewed data.
How long did AIDS babies live without meds? What is the baseline mortality/morbidity rate? This data should control for other risk factors, such as malnutrition, neglect or being born of crack-addicted mothers. Or do you wish to "deny" obvious social problems? Are you a "denialist"?
I identify myself all the time in these blogs. I am Elizabeth Ely, who has worked with the scientific group Rethinking AIDS for the past two and a half years as a public relations coordinator. If you have any questions about Peter Duesberg's data or conclusions, I can put you in touch with him personally. I can put you on a radio talk show to debate him, if you'd like.
The people who broke this story identified themselves, courageously. Liam Scheff, Mimi Pasqual, and yes, Christine Maggiore, who took calls in the middle of the night from terrified mothers and grandmothers. JK should identify him- or herself just as boldly. Proudly. Without reservation.
The scientific data are not a detour or a distraction from the main story here. Ignorance of the problems with HIV testing is what put those kids in that position in the first place, and Dwoskin further ignored the data on that. Science is observation. Those mothers observed their kids getting sick on the drugs and stopped. Scientific evidence further supports them, in study after study. See www.aras.ab.ca and look up the drugs by name. Try "nevirapine" for starters. It literally burns the skin off bodies, but they call that a "rash."
Dwoskin keeps wondering when this story will be "over." The only people who really want it to be over are the criminals who carried it out.
See www.rethinkingaids.com, www.liamscheff.com, and www.guineapigkids.com to get the real story that The Village Voice refused to tell. What dinosaurs these newspapers are! In the age of the Internet, they still think they can make a true story go away.
It won't.
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JK 04/07/2009 6:18:00 AM
Sorry Mimi, didn't read your post properly, the deliberate lies and distortions in this story make me very angry. Do people know what "rethinking AIDS" says causes AIDS in kids? This is a quote from Peter Duesberg and friends: "According to our hypothesis pediatric AIDS is due to prenatal consumption of recreational and anti-HIV drugs by unborn babies together with their pregnant mothers (Duesberg 1992; Duesberg and Rasnick 1998)." And children are just a "fringe group" -this is another quote: "In addition both epidemics include fringe groups of hemophiliacs and other transfusion recipients (1%) and children born to drug-addicted mothers (1%) (World Health Organization 2001a)." Have these people ever talked to a pediatrician who dealt with pediatric AIDS prior to combination antiretroviral therapy? Does Liam Scheff care about the the horror of pediatric AIDS, or just his exaggerated horror stories of drug toxicity? Scheff, like, "rethinking AIDS," doesn't really think the disease exists. If you buy their bullshit about drug-addicted mothers, there's no treatment and the kids should be left to die - there's a decade's worth of experience of trying everything to save these kids lives before antiretrovirals were available, and NOTHING WORKED!!! Ask James Oleske, who has been seeing children with AIDS longer than anybody. Do you think Liam Scheff has ever talked to him? According to "rethinking AIDS," Oleske is an evil member of the AIDS "orthodoxy." **** them!!!
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Fintan Dunne 04/07/2009 3:08:00 AM
A rambling article which let's itself down by peripheral attacks on those who doubt the infallibility of AIDS medicine and by making statements like: "disregarding the unscientific fevered dreams of Maggiore and Scheff".
That fails to admit that almost all of the questions raised by AIDS skeptics are founded on data from published scientific reports.
The article also claims that pediatric AIDS in New York was actually "a success story: The mother-to-child transmission rate had been brought down by 90 percent." In reality, the focus on preventing "transmission" comes at the cost of significant morbidity and mortality for these infants -as evidenced by scientific abstracts provided to the journalist, Ms. Dwoskin by Liam Scheff. HIV transmission is no death sentence. But preventing that transmission often is.
The fact that Ms. Dwoskin failed to get that most basic of objections to unrestrained AIDS treatments probably explains her failure to deeply question the risk-benefit issues affecting children in the trials.
To her credit, Ms. Dwoskin does challenge the idiocy of the Vera report, which did not have any access to medical records of the children. She questions their assertion that they had insufficient information to say that children were killed by the medications, but enough to say none of the children died as a result of the medications.
That sounds like the kind of unscientific fevered dream which Ms. Dwoskin wrongly accuses Liam Scheff of holding.
The Vera Institute should never have accepted to carry out their study unless they had access to medical records. The result was bound to be the whitewash farce we now see.
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Mimi, Pascual 04/06/2009 12:27:00 AM
Real funn LIZ is Elizabeth Dwoskin.
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JK 04/06/2009 12:09:00 AM
A couple of important things are now clear: "independent" journalist Liam Scheff is judging a letter-to-the editor competition for "rethinking AIDS," who deny HIV causes AIDS. So Scheff has given up his never truthful claim to independence. And Mimi Pascual, the source for all the worst accusations in the Village Voice piece, has stated that "At no point did I make a comment about my beliefs on the whole HIV/AIDS Theories" and yet she refers congenially to the PR person for "rethinking AIDS" - Elizabeth Ely - as "liz," in reference to the letter to the editor Pasucal is writing, which she is obviously discussing with "liz." Meanwhile, Liam is also writing: "There are at least 200 dead children lying in the wake of the high-dose drug studies done by Columbia Presbyterian on orphans in NYC." He is writing this despite the Vera Report, which shows that there were 25 deaths among children enrolled in medication trials, and 23 of them occurred prior to 1995, when treatment for AIDS was still desperately inadequate.
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Mimi, Pascual 04/05/2009 11:46:00 PM
I was not going to respond to the people directly but I have to. At no point did I make a comment about my beliefs on the whole HIV/AIDS Theories, my beliefs are mine and in due time the world will know for those who even care to know. I can only talk about my experiences as well as what that little boy went through. Imagine waking up in the morning and one by one your friends dying off, no knowledge back then of what was going on for sure about any of THIS�
I am not happy about this article; I felt miss quoted in a lot of thing. That does not change the fact about what�s right and what�s wrong these children deserve a better life now for their contribution to science. I wish they would have made a better over all living plan for all of the children involved in these studies. Why are they in the system still?, Or in a shelter?, Or looking for jobs every other six months because of their health, everything can�t be just �AIDS RELATED� my experiences can�t let me believe that. Not everyone of those meds were good for those kids and unfortunately I was a part of that study it was a double blinded study and maybe if I would of known that I was a part of that: if they had ask me, I would not have participated in it. I am a mother and I would not put my child threw medications that I have no knowledge of. I loved and still those children. Currently I am advocating for the children to get their medical records until we achieve this goal there is not much to say, and liz this letter is for the people the one for your editor is still pending�
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Dan 04/05/2009 10:47:00 PM
I think at this point, I'm going to cut Ms. Dwoskin some slack.
Even though this article ended up saying nothing new, and even though she seemed to consciously veer away from the subject matter to take some shots at Liam Scheff and Christine Maggiore, I think she may be troubled by all of the information given to her from Liam Scheff that comes straight from the mainstream HIV/AIDS medical literature.
Ms. Dwoskin is probably not prepared to become a social leper and ask tough questions of the AIDS orthodoxy. It's much easier to ride the wave and assume that everything you've been told is the utter truth. Going against the grain can really suck.
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JK 04/05/2009 5:35:00 PM
From the "rethinking AIDS" website, they really hate to have their murderous propaganda efforts exposed. They talk about "solidarity with parents and minorities" and yet this is an organization run by old white bigots like Peter Duesberg.
April 6, 2009 � Demonstration in New York - Protest Village Voice Coverage Of ICC Scandal
On April 1, The Village Voice published a story, "After the Fall," pretending sympathy toward the New York City "orphans" used in painful and sometimes fatal HIV drug trials at Incarnation Children's Center in Washington Heights. These revelations had already hit the city hard in 2004 and were only recently the subject of a sham investigation. At least 200 children, almost all black and Hispanic, died.
Asserting that only "denialists" would oppose these practices, the reporter did not disclose that she had received � but refused to read � peer-reviewed, published scientific information on high false HIV positives among pregnant women and newborns, and the terrible side effects of the drugs.
Please join us at 4:00 p.m. Monday, April 6, in front of the Village Voice offices at 36 Cooper Square, New York City, for a demonstration in solidarity with parents and minorities to demand:
Publication of a new story about the inaccuracies of HIV testing and the deadly side effects of FDA-designated "Black Box" drugs, using actual scientific evidence
Release of the medical records on these children by the State of New York and Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center
April 2, 2009 � Rethinking AIDS sponsors letter-to-the-editor contest in response to Village Voice article on Incarnation Children's Center.
Rethinking AIDS is sponsoring a contest for the best Letter to the Editor in 400 words or less in response to today's article in the Village Voice about the AIDS drug trials on orphans at the Incarnation Children's Center in New York City. http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-04-01/news/the-aids-babies-as-guinea-pigs-story-is-finally-over-right/
The deadline for submission is Sunday, April 5 at 9 p.m. EDT.
Investigative journalist Liam Scheff will be the judge of the best letter written by someone not associated with the Rethinking AIDS executive and the best letter written by someone associated with the RA executive.
The winner not associated with the RA executive will receive one of the books by an AIDS Rethinker from the books section of the RA website.
Send your Letter to the Editor to http://www.villagevoice.com/feedback/EmailAnEmployee/?department=letters and to redalerts@rethinkingaids.com.
Best of luck.
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Stefan R. 04/05/2009 1:01:00 AM
The story of Eliza-Jane can be found here:
http://www.justiceforej.com/
Poeple can read the information there and make their own conclusions about the case.
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JK 04/04/2009 9:30:00 PM
Oh right, Elizabeth Ely, PR person for the lunatics who deny HIV causes AIDS.
Their idea of helping children with HIV infection is deceiving them into believing that the virus is harmless and that the treatments that can prevent immunodeficiency and death are worse than the disease. Why is it do you think Justin is so scared of taking treatment? Is it because of the time he's been spending time with Liam Scheff and Mimi Pascual? They exaggerate the incidence of side effects, pretend HIV doesn't cause AIDS, and think that's helping someone!
Then, if the person that follows their advice dies, they just make some other reason why they died. For Christine Maggiore's three year old Eliza-Jane, they say it was an allergic reaction to an antibiotic.
When Mark Griffiths, the person who first published Liam's "story" on the altheal website died, Liam wrote the following memorial in which he suggests Mark must have started using heroin again because he was "a bit groggy" sometimes when Liam talked to him:
http://www.altheal.org/altheal/markmemorial.htm.
This is AIDS denial. Here's a famous quote from Elizabeth Ely, discussing a meeting with William Fauntroy in Washington DC: "He even said he could help me to network with the black community in Washington. I consider this a huge opportunity -- and let's face it, we now have a lot of books to sell and no events from which to sell them. An impromptu church event or two would put us over the top."
Note the consistency of their targeting - where is ICC? Why do they want to target black churches in DC?
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Elizabeth Ely 04/04/2009 4:23:00 AM
Dear Editors, The Village Voice:
In "After the Fall," Jason Thomas, teenage AIDS patient and former drug-testing guinea pig at Incarnation Hell House, says, "Please tell the doctors to stop telling me that I'm going to die. That's ridiculous. They just can't say that to a person." It's also not OK to tell someone they're going to die based on a questionable HIV test -- and that's the main reason these kids were there in the first place.
Liam Scheff tried repeatedly to get Voice reporter Elizabeth Dwoskin to read the data on the HIV test, to back up his assertion that pregnancy itself can cause a false positive, among other things. Having asked for it, Dwoskin then ignored it, saying she couldn't read anything so technical. She also refused information on the known toxicities of the drugs. None of these come from "denialist" sources; they are mainstream studies. (Scheff has documented his correspondence with Dwoskin at http://liamscheff.com/daily/2009/03/12/my-interviews-for-the-village-voice-on-the-orphans-in-drug-trials-how-the-mainstream-covers-aids/.)
Instead, she claims that the people like me who have actually read these reports and grasped their implications -- among them respected epidemiologists, pathologists, medical doctors and cancer researchers -- are a bunch of nuts.
Dwoskin has blood on her hands because she has failed to sound the alarm about the tests and the drugs. This ensures that many more children worldwide will be forced into taking dangerous, "Black Box" drugs based on flawed "HIV" test results. The tests neither detect nor predict disease, as their own labels admit. So no, the story about the AIDS babies used as guinea pigs isn't over and won't be for a long time -- because of this negligent reporting.
Elizabeth Ely
Public Relations Chairperson
Rethinking AIDS
The Group for the Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis
www.rethinkingaids.com
718-704-9672
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JK 04/03/2009 9:22:00 PM
The information isn't outdated, the article you linked to makes it clear that the lawsuit was about "violation of Eliza Jane's right to privacy," due to release of the autopsy results, not the cause of death. PCP was documented in the child's lungs at autopsy with Gomori methenamine silver staining and that never happens absent severe underlying immunodeficiency. Eliza Jane had not been on cancer chemotherapies or received transplant conditioning, her only risk factor for severe cellular immunodeficiency was HIV infection.
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JK 04/03/2009 7:59:00 PM
The people at ICC were trying to prevent what happened to Christine Maggiore's daughter from happening to the children in their care. Maggiore's daughter went into acute respiratory distress and died of PCP at age 3, because Maggiore never had her tested or monitored for HIV infection. ARD from PCP was always the most common reason for children with HIV to be admitted to the ER before there were any treatments. It seems like Liam Scheff thinks that that would somehow have been the better fate for the children at ICC. Scheff also has this fantasy that drug companies make money selling antiretrovirals to kids with HIV - even when the rates of perinatal infection were at their highest, there weren't enough infected children for drug companies to make any money off of. To get more details of what happened to the children in these trials, go to the Vera report and get the PACTG trial numbers, then get the reports on those trials from the PACTG. Maybe one day some journalist will actually do that and tell the story accurately.
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Stefan R. 04/03/2009 7:20:00 PM
I think the whole article is heavily one-sided.
Especially concerning the Maggiore-case there's also this:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-briefs6-2009mar06,0,669083.story
I wonder who's paying for this kind of "journalism"....
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Joanne Pacicca 04/03/2009 7:05:00 PM
The issue is clearly one of "informed consent"...can children actually give researchers that "go ahead" legally? I wonder how that works. I, too, do not see the point of slanted journalism. If it is a cause, then label it editorial...please.
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JK 04/03/2009 12:51:00 AM
It's amazing that it's taken so long for someone to realize that the ICC "scandal" was a carefully crafted piece of propaganda aiming to promote the lie that HIV does not cause AIDS. The original Scheff piece is still on the altheal website, starting with the introduction, pictures of kids (not from ICC) with Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, then leading into AIDS denial references at the end from Christine Maggiore, Peter Duesberg and all the other so-called leaders of the AIDS denial cult, including the Australian "Perth Group" which consists of an emergency room physician and a hospital technician whose job it is to test people for sensitivity to UV radiation. Altheal was being run by Mark Griffiths at the time, but he has since died of AIDS, as has the person that took over running the site from him, John Wantling. These were individuals who hewed to the belief that HIV infection does not cause AIDS and that anti-HIV treatments are therefore unnecessary, and that anyone who suggests different is a corrupt liar (i.e. essentially every medical professional in the world).
Unfortunately, though, Elizabeth Dwoskin still gets things wrong.
"Much of what the children experienced at the Incarnation Children's Center was horrific."
Really? Because of ICC, because of being in foster care, because of HIV infection or all three? Pediatric HIV infection before the advent of effective therapies certainly was horrific, as the writer could have learnt by talking to the doctors who first struggled to find ways to treat infected children, such as James Oleske.
"Although the child had black blood coming from every orifice, Pascual says she was told to keep the child in bed and not take him to the hospital."
We're told that this source of this horrific-sounding (but actually medically implausible) story was fired from her job at ICC, but not whether this might impact her credibility. The words of Renee Carlyle are then presented as confirming Pascual's story, but it seems to me that what Carlyle is saying is quite different: "It was psychological torture for all of those children," she says. "They are knowledgeable enough to know that they all have the same disease." That's different from being tortured by the people at ICC, and the only person who seems to be saying that happened is the person that was fired.
"As a result of the trials, 15 medications were approved by the FDA for use with children, but what is less well known is that five other drugs were used in trials and some were never submitted for FDA approval, says Ross. That suggests the drugs were ineffective or even caused harm."
This is flat-out wrong. The Vera Report clearly states that all five of these drugs are approved for adults, which hardly suggests that they "were ineffective or even caused harm." What it suggests is that the drug companies didn't bother seeking a pediatric indication because they viewed the pediatric HIV "market" as being too small to justify the investment. This well-known (and scandalous) issue regarding pediatric treatment research is hardly ever mentioned by any of the promoters of the ICC fiction, because it so completely undermines their false claim that there was a lot of financial gain to be obtained from enrolling children in these clinical trials. There never was.
"The problem is, we'll never know. While there's no doubt that the trials at Incarnation and other sites in the city benefited science and public health, it's also probable that some drugs did harm children. (Information about how the studies were conducted, including the harm to the subjects, is often considered proprietary by pharmaceutical companies)."
Only, as the Vera report details, hardly any of the studies were pharmaceutical company studies, almost all were conducted by the Pediatric AIDS Clinical Trials Group (PACTG), funded by NIH. The reports on the trials are available from the PACTG.
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Flamethrower 04/02/2009 10:58:00 PM
Dwoskin missed the lead. The three year study by the Vera Institute for Justice cost New York taxpayers $3 million and was inconclusive. The New York Times misquoted VERA as anyone can read for themselves by reading the summary from VERA. The study was inconclusive because the researchers at Vera had no access to the medical records or death records despite their requests, and relied for its report only on ACS file notes. VERA therefore investigated its client's files. This is not an investigation. Items such as this.... Quote "This child went into foster care from the birth hospital. By age of 3 months, she was symptomatic for HIV disease. She was on AZT briefly, and then enrolled in PATG 152 at 3 months old. Her mother signed the consent. The baby was doing well but developed pneummococcal meningitis and died."
What we do know from VERA is this...that of the 532 children in clinical trials, 80 of them died in foster care placement, 25 died while enrolled in medication trials, and 29% of the remaining 417 children have died.
Slagging off other journalists is juvenile. And let's not forget that because of Liam Scheff's work this story came to light in the first place. And is not new, VERA includes in its report approx 30 pages on the ethical breaches by American Researchers that involved vulnerable populations, without reference to the testing at Incarnation Children�s Center.
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Dre 04/02/2009 6:38:00 PM
This is from Liam's blog, and I couldn't say it better:
As to Christine Maggiore - I don�t know her past, and I do think it�s worth knowing. She was a public figure, heading an activist group for a cause that I think had too many messages, some very unclear, some were promises that I don�t think she should�ve made.
On the other hand, her work on outing the many conflicts within AIDS medicine, especially those on the nature of HIV testing, I think were immense and necessary public services.
She did take calls from people, like Mona in this case, who were being pressured and abused by a medical/social system that does not respect informed consent or human and civil rights. She�s a hero to many for that reason.
On the other side, there are those who give these polyreactive tests, and the permanent death mark, the brutalizing diagnosis, overly-toxic overly-dosed drugs, and no other options.
These people running the AIDS industry are criminals, at present, because they suppress open dialog and conversation about the drugs, about the tests. And some of these people lined up to wish Mrs. Maggiore dead, while she was alive. They wished her dead in their words, in print, in conversation. They asserted that she was, in essence, a demon on earth.
Why? Because she defied their dogma. Now that�s telling - the amount of hatred she incurred for defying their rubric., for asking them, challenging them, taunting them, into debating their own prized possession - the AIDS industry.
Again, that�s telling. The amount of hatred poured onto a housewife in Van Nuys who asked them to answer her questions. It�s a lot of time and money and ink spent on trying to destroy one woman. That�s a lot of defensiveness, and that points to something, I think, very anxious, at the heart of the AIDS establishment.
On a personal note - I don�t know enough about Mrs. Maggiore to know exactly how I feel about her. Was she brave? Yeah. Was she too brave? Hubristic? I think probably. I think so. I think she made some promises that she couldn�t keep.
I mean �Alive and Well� is not a promise, or a bet, than anyone can make for perpetuity. It�s a slogan, but, you know, what pressure! What a standard to live up to all the time. Nobody can do that.
So, if the other side has questions, it doesn�t bother me. I don�t mind a real investigation, that would, by needs, get into her philosophy, and into the troubles that she pointed to in the AIDS paradigm, as well as anything she left out, or herself did in error.
But what Dwoskin and her editor did, was to say, Maggiore=Satan, Scheff met Maggiore, Don�t believe anything Scheff says, (although it�s true, and we talk to Scheff�s sources, and yes, it�s all true what he said about the clinical trials, BUT - no questions allowed about AIDS drugs or HIV tests).
That�s their line, which is pure suppression. Pure bullshit, pure Pravda,... and the issue doesn�t go away just because you say �HIV tests are really good!� or �AIDS drugs are the best thing ever!�
You can say it, you can want it to be so, but then you have to allow it to be discussed and debated, by reading the medical reports on the drugs, and by listening to people who took or are taking them.
But all of this misses the major point:
There are 200 dead children, used in NY drug trials, and 300 some more, who were all used without their permission, and without pay.
And if this was such a success, and you really did �save� so many lives - as is the assertion they make (while hiding the medical records, even from the patients) - then you know what?
Let�s fucking celebrate. Pay up.
Time to PAY UP.
Pay the kids, pay their families where the children you �saved� are dead. PAY. Pay them. Pay them for their time, Pay them for their service.
And I guess AIDS is over too, right? Because it was such a g-damn success, no? Such a bloody success that you will never need to use children in this way again. Right?
RIGHT? This is it, the end of the line - big success, and big payday for these kids, who served AIDS and country, and are now free, healthy, and at liberty to pursue any field of interest or career they want.
RIGHT?
No, they�ve been raped by the AIDS industry. They�re either dead, or destitute, barely making it, riddled with long-term effects from major drugging, living on welfare or nothing,
And this is how the AIDS industry celebrates its �big success� of using orphans in drug trials.
Big big success.
So, Village Voice, all the rest, you get these kids paid. Pay up, or shut up.
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Oigen 04/02/2009 4:49:00 PM
Watch portrayal of an HIV Guinea Pig doctor in action here......http://tinyurl.com/dzewts
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Angela 04/02/2009 8:39:00 AM
Of COURSE they are going to say that the kids didn't die because of the medicine. They're AIDS children. They could "decide" that pretty much anything took their lives. But I think giving them these kinds of drugs is criminal. I couldn't believe I was actually reading what I was reading.
Angela
Backlinks
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Michael Perry 04/02/2009 3:42:00 AM
This is horribly one sided. These children were considered disposable because they were Black and Brown. Click the first link below to see the BBC documentary "Guinea Pig Kids"
http://www.helpforhiv.com/videos.htm
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2007/01/26/guinea_pig_kids_bbc_video_raises_aids_lobbys_heckles.htm
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Mimi, Pascual 04/02/2009 12:37:00 AM
Real shitty job Village Voice... I am really dissapointed but not sursprise I think you steared away from the subject at hand. Liz you shocked me.... Thank god the truth has yet to be told, I will leave that up to the children all in do time.
Con amor Siempre
Mimi Pascual
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Dan 04/01/2009 8:57:00 PM
Well? Is the story over or not?
It's difficult to know from this article.
Were foster children harmed by the AIDS drugs trials or not?
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04/01/2009 4:48:00 PM
Elizabeth Dwoskin has the nerve to accuse another reporter of being on a crusade? Give me a break. She's riding a pretty high horse herself.
I hate it when articles show a writer's subtle bias. Fortunately that was not the case with this one. Statements on the first page disclose an agenda to back up establishment "science", dissent be damned.
I'm not surprised to read a hatchet job in the Voice, but am really puzzled about the motives behind this one.
Poz and drug-free,
Jonathan
