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The Downtown Mosque Plan Riles the Loons

And tugs at the heart

The developer who wants to create a 15-story Islamic cultural center and mosque on Park Place near the World Trade Center site is named Sharif El-Gamal. Put your assumptions aside: He was born right here in Brooklyn.

Last week, he was in the middle of describing himself as "proof of the American dream" and the proud father of two beautiful American daughters, when the heckling from the yahoos kicked in. A few rows behind him, a guy in a porkpie hat and a T-shirt cupped his hands around his mouth and hooted, "You're no American!"

This was on Tuesday at the theater at Hunter College, where the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission had moved its hearing to accommodate the crowds. The question before it was whether to let the mosque's builders demolish a five-story building at 45-47 Park Place with its rusting row of cast-iron pillars. Before this, its chief claim to fame was that Sy Syms once sold suits here to educated consumers and the Burlington Coat Factory plied its trade. Preserving urban landmarks hasn't been high on the roster of concerns in Tea Party land, from where a lot of the protesters were recruited. But many who showed up to denounce a Muslim-sponsored development so near sacred ground tied their cause to municipal art. All were suddenly gung-ho advocates for salvaging this splendid example of 19th-century Italian palazzo mercantile architecture.

As luck would have it, a drenching afternoon cloudburst kept the numbers relatively low. A couple of hundred people turned out, and after they went through police metal detectors, they dispersed through the big auditorium, sitting in small clusters. This may have been to avoid injury in a possible attack. Testifying at a microphone on the aisle, a heavy-set woman pointed to a tiny teenager seated nearby wearing a hijab. "How do I know this young woman isn't going to be strapped with explosives?"

That was about par for the course during the three-hour session. One speaker suggested that this is how Muslims took over London. "It's unsafe for a Westerner to go to London's East End," she said. "The mosques are used to subvert the neighborhood." After she sat down, she was asked if she'd been to London. "No, but I've been doing a great deal of reading about it, mostly on the Internet," she replied.

Another woman said she had been born in Europe and wanted to explain the secret behind the project's name, Cordoba House. Sponsors say the name—since dropped—was chosen to invoke the harmony that existed between Muslims, Christians, and Jews in that Spanish city hundreds of years ago. Not so, said the speaker. "The Muslims conquered Spain; this represents the re-taking of something that was lost to them. It starts with a mosque. This has happened over and over again."

On September 11, landing gear from one of the planes crashed through the roof of the Park Place building. Several speakers said this merited its preservation as a war memorial, "like Gettysburg or Pearl Harbor." That's the least the commission could do, they said, since it had also landmarked the townhouse on West 11th Street after Weatherman bombs destroyed it in 1970. This was crackpot history at its finest: Actually, when the explosion occurred, the entire block was already part of a Greenwich Village landmark zone.

The twisted talking point came courtesy of Pamela Geller, an Upper West Sider who heads something called "Stop the Islamization of America." Geller organized a June 6 rally near Ground Zero to protest the mosque. There, she denounced the planned 9/11 memorial, with its sunken pools, trees, and museum on the trade center's former site, as "a dungeon" that "must be stopped."

Geller, 51, once taped a video in a bikini for overseas troops. Her website, Atlas Shrugs, diligently defends Radovan Karadzic, the former Serb leader on trial at the Hague for the massacre of thousands of Muslims. Her book explaining President Obama's secret Muslim identity and alliances will be out this month.

Such were the guiding lights of the anti-mosque forces. In a selfless demonstration that leftists can be equally intolerant loons, a lone pro-mosque heckler raged at opponents. Gary Phaneuf, an old hand at such disruptions, wore a straw hat and held a sign denouncing Muslim "scapegoating." His Bronx cheers finally resulted in his ouster by police, a remarkable achievement given the ceaseless bile billowing from the other side.

And then there were those whose only baggage was the memory of loved ones lost that cruel day nine years ago. A couple of relatives spoke in favor of the project. Several others were strongly opposed. A temple representing the same faith as the murderers two blocks from the crime scene was a disrespect they shouldn't have to bear, they said. One of these was Sally Regenhard, who lost her son, Christian, a firefighter, on 9/11. Regenhard has long channeled her grief into making sure the mistakes that helped trap hundreds of New Yorkers in the towers after the planes hit don't happen again. Her Skyscraper Safety Campaign helped win a federal investigation of the collapse, and she has pushed for stricter building codes.

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  • Madhi 03/16/2011 10:09:00 PM

    Just like you sister fuckers blow up your own city, ohh o wait .....they found the passport in the debris didnt they, it must have been him. by the way why are your boys digging up solomans temple.......anything interesting you looking for in there? Prepare to crown your messiah there and be destroyed by the forces of Good.

  • JOAN PENDLETON 08/29/2010 9:24:00 PM

    I DON'T KNOW ABOUT RILING LOONS BUT I DO KNOW THAT TO oppose the mosque is not necessarily to be a bigot. The original reaction when the mosque plans first came to light was pure and true . It's a jarring juxtaposition and it's about the thousands of dead and the grieving and the simple fact that the mosque jars not that Muslim and Islam are no good.How do you defend this position? I've come to the conclusion that you can't not that the position isn't justified. You either feel it or you don't. However one last try for understanding with this analogy: A crazy splinter IRA group destroys the World Trade. 10 years later an Irish group totally unrelatedto IRA proposes a museum and memorial to the Irish American experience with Famine memorial included all two blocks away from World Trade.(The price was right for the site and non other available.) Do you like it? All right maybe now a glimmer of understanding comes. p

  • A 08/17/2010 11:09:00 AM

    This is an important video. Many muslims see the destruction of the World Trade Towers as just clearing the ground to build mosques. Just like they built on top of the Temple Mount and other places they conquer. F*ckers. http://tinyurl.com/2dreaz6

  • undersurveillance 08/12/2010 1:10:00 AM

    We don't want a MUSLIM cultural centre ... because we don't want to create or support muslim culture (treatment of women and opposing western educational system = a threat to islam) and we don't want to familiarize ourselves with sharia laws. Thanks for an offer - but: NO THANKS! I would never go in. A cultural centre where women swim in halloween costumes is not my thing.

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  • Dick 08/01/2010 12:19:00 AM

    I think it be should built. It could serve as a center for peace and understanding. But 14 storeys? That is a bit much. Six storeys is a more than adequate height. Park Place may not be the most ideal location as it is so close to Ground Zero. Although we Manhattanites, as well as many outer borough dwellers, know prime space in Manhattan below 96th street is difficult to find. Maybe an area in the Curry Belt around Lexington Avenue in the 20's or someplace in Queens can serve as a compromise location. The convent next to Auschwitz is an apt analog. Will there be a 13th floor?

  • Indee Brooke 07/27/2010 5:35:00 AM

    One of our basic national precepts is freedom of religion. It seems very American to dedicate a house of prayer at ground zero, and a beautiful thing for devout Muslims to build a place for peaceful prayer at a place where fanatics murdered so many in the name of politics. Islam is not monolithic. Neither is Christianity or any other religion I can think of. Those of us who call ourselves Christian should heed Jesus' words to love one another and to turn the other cheek. Perfect Love casteth out fear. We can only heal the world by first healing the anger and hatred in ourselves. Let's have a mosque at ground zero and a temple and a church. A wide variety of nations and races and ways of worship lost somebody on 9/11. Let's heal by praying together.

  • tramky 07/26/2010 5:14:00 PM

    I'll support locating an Islamic mosque near the site of the most spectacularly successful attack by Muslims against Western civilization since the Crusades when the following happens: --the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia invites Pope Benedict to erect a Roman Catholic cathedral two blocks from the Great Mosque in Mecca --Islamic leaders in Jerusalem agree to tear down the Dome of the Rock and agree that Jews can rebuild what is believed to have been the first Jewish temple that predated the Muslim site. The Brooklyn-born Muslim acolyte can say what he wants, but he is faithfully carrying out Mohammed's commands to convert all to Islam or destroy those who refuse to convert. When Muslims demonstrate in word AND action the kind of respect for religious freedom that Robbins demands of New Yorkers, perhaps then we can tolerate the erection of mosques. But not until then.

  • steve 07/26/2010 1:24:00 AM

    Many things you fail to mention Tom Robbins: One is the disgrace of having the mosques' opening ceremony on the 10th anniversary of the horror of 9/11. Second would be providing some backround on the location of construction of these "temples of peace" around the world. That would simply be the fact that Muslims build these mosques on monuments to place over sites that they conquered. In this case it is Cordoba in Spain , or say, the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem after they maimed and destroyed that temple, etc, etc... 3rd, the tea party has nothing to do with this. 4th, why stick it in the faces of all new Yorkers, Americans and the loved ones by building it right there? because thats what these sub-humans have done throughout history. Are you forgetting that Muhammad was a pedophile and rapist? As usual, though as a more conservative person than you and your loyal readers, I respect the open view of the liberal attitude to forgive and possibly forget. Unfortunately that cannot be said of the liberal view toward conservative leaning people. get a grip, this mosque belongs NOWHERE near ground zero.

  • MR.K 07/25/2010 6:06:00 AM

    Screw these creepy dirtbags, they are rubbing ny's nose in poop and moron pc liberals embrace them. You are a bunch of spineless dopes.

  • Sumitrs Shah 07/24/2010 9:20:00 PM

    I am at a loss to understand why the project, originally named the Cordoba House as a way to further mutual understanding and respect among followers of different faiths, cannot serve the same purpose better by taking the secular road. The community center should foster dialogue between peoples and educate them in the ways of what the proponents call moderate Islam. We all have to gain from such enlightenment, but since non-Muslims will not be praying in the mosque, why make the religious space an integral part of the center? Surely practicing members can go to their own places of worship and not have to give up their freedom to do so. Y.M.C.A. and Jewish community centers, which the organizers say they want emulate, have traditionally followed that model and it seems the right one.

  • Vaclav Jr. 07/24/2010 11:09:00 AM

    If the level of intelligence displayed here--by pro and con, left and right, for and against--in this discussion is a sample of the general thoughtful level of America at this time, in a newspaper that is supposed to appeal to an informed readership......BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID.

  • NYC NiceGuy 07/24/2010 1:26:00 AM

    Kite Flyer: Thanks for clarifying the matter. Isn't it so pernicious of the media to distort, distort, distort? Where are our Daniel Schorrs, our H.L. Menckens, our Edward R. Murrowses?? Ab: Rights only mean something if they promote life and liberty. The minute they stop doing that, they are meaningless. Or do you always "cross on the green and not in-between?" Grow up, hypocrite. Gary: There may well be "forces" unknown to us - but they are not of the hocus-pocus variety fortune-tellers, priests, rabbis, and imams make their living off of. Johnny: There's nothing wrong with trying to cut out what you disagree with. We do it all the time. I agree with you that all religions are evil, evil at their very core because they rely on hopes and fear instead of truth, even the well-meaning among them - and Islam is far from well-meaning...and that's the difference. I don't like the Catholic Church, either (believe me, I know from personal experience where all those tithes go; priests really live it up in their monasteries, with LCD TVs, personal jacuzzis, and daily shopping trips to Macy's). But to put a Catholic building on the grounds of a Nazi death camp was judged grossly insensitive. Why should these Muslims, who are every bit as evil as the Catholics, only with any secular moderation suppressing their inherently evil tendencies, get a break? Like I said at the beginning, beware those who would use your own values against you. Or do you like falling on your own sword?

  • dolores sandoval, ph.d. 07/24/2010 12:34:00 AM

    Is this the same Vesey of Vesey Street? If so, the battle continues... "Remember Denmark Vesey of Charleston!" was the battle cry of the first black regiment formed to fight in the Civil War. The war achieved what Denmark (Telemaque) Vesey had so desperately striven for — the abolition of slavery. He had planned his own war of liberation in 1822, but his plans were revealed before the uprising could take place. For a number of reasons, Denmark Vesey has not been one of the well–remembered heroes in the fight to end U.S. slavery, up until recently. In the year 1999, three different books about Vesey were released by major publishers, showing the renewed interest in this nearly forgotten hero. (Gale Database)

  • Gary McAleer 07/23/2010 9:09:00 AM

    To Johnny, I lived in NYC in '76. While there, studying music at Juilliard with the violin professor, Sally Thomas, I went to see a psychic at the recommendation of a close friend. This female fortuneteller used Tarot Cards to read my fortune. She laid the cards out in front of me and told me according to the meaning of the cards what was in my past, present, and future. Everything she said was perfectly accurate to the circumstances of my life at that time. I wasn't a Christian at this time, but I had the common sense to ask the question: Who shuffled the deck? This accurate appraisal of my life was no coincidence, no random stroke of luck. It proved to me that there are controlling forces outside of our ability to control our destiny. During this time I had another dear friend who used hypnosis to help him memorize an 80 page piano concerto of Vincent Persichetti. He said, after all was said and done, his willpower weakened, even to the daily brushing of his teeth! I personally witnessed how valuable it is to see how we're all being played the fool by the devil, whom the world refuses to exist, and his betrayal of the very fabric of life. In closing, discover the value of Deuteronomy 18:9-13. It encapsulates the betrayal of mankind to follow the path of suicide. Grace to you forever, Gary

  • Gary McAleer 07/23/2010 7:11:00 AM

    Parents of all religions rejoice to see their children participate in their faith. To hear them pray, to see how the character is molded by the religious discipline, to them its reassuring. But in the case of Islam it instills in children a value system that sears the conscience against any compassion for "infidels." Sad is the outcome for them and for us.

  • Johnny NYC 07/23/2010 4:36:00 AM

    All religions are poisonous. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc., are all living a poisonous lie and the hatred that is being spewed by those against this building and by those that perpetrated 9/11 is testament to this fact. There is no life after death, there is no God, so there's no need to argue about building churches or mosques or temples because all these religions are cartoons. It's like being offended because they built an entire amusement park to honor Mickey Mouse. I live across the street from a Catholic church and, although this religion and the people who pray there are offensive to me, I tolerate it because you can't cut down everything you disagree with, especially in a big amazing city like New York. Cuomo is totally right.

  • Ab 07/22/2010 10:04:00 PM

    Come on you big dummies! Listen to @NYC NiceGuy, he's speaking the truth. Muslims will infiltrate and undermine our society. Naturally our only recourse is too abolish the first amendment and property rights. Yeeeeeeeeehaw.

  • kiteflyer 07/22/2010 9:07:00 PM

    I am misquoted here by Tom R. I was never asked if I'd been to London. If I had, I would certainly have stated I actually lived in London. Tom asked me what my sources were for the "slaughter non-muslims" signs in a "Religion of Peace" demonstration recently staged in London. I indicated this information could readily be found on Youtube and other Internet sources. And for the record, I was not sent by the Tea Party. However, I am sure I speak for thousands of Americans who are concerned with a Supremacist ideology that is in fact racist, condones the murdering of non-muslims, and an organization that does not speak out against violence and murders of non-muslims. It is no secret that Imams call on all Muslims every Friday to hate all non-Muslims and wage jihad against us until this earth is devoid of all kafirs. And you know what, I'd love to put my happy family photo up on Twitter, but I have lost the freedom to do so, for fear of our lives. We are the ones that need to fear for our lives now. We are not waging terror and death threats toward any Muslims. They have nothing to fear. But we will not be silenced, and tolerate their rascist program of terror in our society. Because we see what is coming. And if I am marked by this group for saying so, I fear not. WE WILL NEVER FORGET. WE WILL NEVER GIVE IN. WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP. WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER.

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  • NYC NiceGuy 07/22/2010 7:00:00 PM

    A.D. Reed is a perfect example of the problem in having emotionally charged discussions: the lack of reading comprehension. It's one thing to disagree - quite another when you can't even disagree on what you're disagreeing over! Very sad. For Reed, and for the country. BTW, Reed, the Japanese-Americans were interned by a liberal icon. Don't forget that. Mr. "Second Bill of Rights" himself. Liberal hypocrisy. Which liberals just shrug. Like the genocidal racist on the US$20 bill. I brought up the Japanese-Americans to contrast the example of a deserving minority versus an undeserving one. No Japanese-American worked to sabotage American interests in the homeland. But Muslims the world over infiltrate a country and then complain about "discrimination" - while underming that society! China, Thailand, the Phillipines, Britain, Germany, France, Russia, India, Italy, Spain, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands...wake up, foolish liberals!!

  • A. D. Reed 07/22/2010 6:19:00 PM

    NYC NiceGuy sums up the total idiocy of this debate. We interned all Japanese living on the West Coast during WWII, despite many Japanese serving honorably in the army. We stole their property and refused to even discuss reparations TO THEM -- not from them -- for half a century, and when reparations came, they were pathetically insufficient for our crime against them. Cuomo is right: if the United States is not about religious liberty, as established in the First Amendment (remember, the Constitution was not acceptable to most states until the Bill of Rights was added to it), then we lose our most fundamental and cherished freedom. Build the mosque, build a Shinto shrine, build an Ethical Culture center ... celebrate religious diversity. The alternative is to adopt the rules in place in Saudi Arabia, as Newt Gingrich wants.

  • monkeysalad 07/22/2010 3:14:00 PM

    My mother used to take me to that building regularly when I was a child,... She was nuts for Syms,... That edifice is as ugly as they come, and anything would be better in its place - even a mosque.

  • Mr. Econotarian 07/22/2010 9:49:00 AM

    Rob G., you should know there is a Catholic Church just about as far away from the IRA's Grand Hotel bombing in Brighton (that killed 5) as this cultural center would be from Ground Zero. New York City has no respect for private property. Not only is it now keeping this building project (that would hire many people) from moving forward, it won't let Wal-Mart build in the city either. The Port Authority should be broken up and all its land should be sold to private developers who won't spend 10 years sitting on their hands before building something.

  • gersan 07/22/2010 5:09:00 AM

    You know, ten years ago, I came to New York City to get away from the right-wing crackpots like most of you posting here. I grew up only miles away from where Timothy McVeigh grew up in Michigan, so I know what I'm talking about. Why don't you do everyone a favor and move back to Outer Buttfuck where you belong. I'm tired of your kind.

  • John G. 07/22/2010 1:24:00 AM

    I agree with the basic notion that no mosque or Islamic community center should be built on groud associated with the 9/11 attacks. This has NOTHING to do with my feelings towards Muslims, or whoever various folks believe was behind the 9/11 attacks. Unless you believe the multitude of non-standard conspiracy theories, there is ONE thing that caused those attacks: belief in God. Human religious belief was the fundamental cause of those attacks. There shouldn't be anything there that has ANYTHING to do with perverted human fantasies like God or religion, be it Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Bahai, Buddhist, Santo Daime, Eckankar, or Flying Spaghetti Monster. Well, I'd be totally into a FSM memorial being built there.

  • Rob G. 07/21/2010 11:16:00 PM

    Dear Rob, I just wonder what it is about America that so offends you Leftist Loons. I'm actually a solidly moderate person- I despise both the Left and Right. But you guys, you seem to have such contempt for this country. Let me ask you this. What if an Irish cultural organization planned to fund construction for a Catholic Cathedral within close proximity of an IRA bombing site, say in England! What if a Jewish heritage organization built a synagogue I am a friend of the Muslim community, and I strongly believe that this disturbingly persistent effort to build this mosque/cultural center will ramp up HATRED and potential violence against Muslims. As a Jew friendly to this fledgling American community, I urge them not to go ahead with that mosque. This is a time of massive unemployment, economic turmoil, and a general surge to the right is taking place on social and cultural issues such as immigration. This will not bode well.

  • NYC NiceGuy 07/21/2010 9:32:00 PM

    Hey, Pork (How's Scarlett?), You shouldn't speak of that which you obviously do not know. I did not suggest a Shinto shrine in "the middle of the harbor." Is that the limit of your intelligence, to assume others are only as imaginative as you yourself? And even if this Shinto shrine were to be in the middle of the harbor, it wouldn't be that unusual, as many elements of Shinto architecture are indeed found in bodies of water, all by their lonesomes. It's part of what makes traditional Japanese designs so interesting. And no, it's not a ridiculous analogy. Japanese-American soldiers proved their patriotism during WWII and haven't made big bones about it the way our Muslim malcontents are doing, seeing discrimination everywhere while Muslims keep trying to attack the country! As for the OK City bombing, no, it wasn't an act of Christian terrorism. McVeigh, God bless him, was against the U.S. government, tied to all the special interests, including AIPAC. These Muslims, on the other hand, are against everything non-Islamic. That's whole universes of difference right there, and if you truly cannot see the difference (as opposed to being just another self-serving Muslim apologist), then you should stick to the sex-for-hire section of the Voice! No mosques near Ground Zero. No mosques anywhere, preferably, but definitely not within five miles (roughly 100 city blocks) any way! And Towelhead's right in equating Muslims with the Sudeten Volksdeutsch...at the time a famous French writer had even observed that "Nazism is the Islam of the North".... Stop the obfuscation. No one is fooled. Beware those who would use your own values against you! Values are only good when they promote life and well-being. Freedom of religion only means something for religions that believe in freedom of religion!

  • Antigonos 07/21/2010 6:19:00 PM

    Muslims, Jews, Christians, agnostics, and maybe even some Hindus and Buddhists died in the Twin Towers. If any religious center is being contemplated for near or at Ground Zero, it should have facilities for all faiths, and a non-denominal meditation room as well. A 15 storey building devoted to only one religion, any religion, let alone that of the perpetrators of the terrorist act, is inappropriate, IMO.

  • SAKARA 07/21/2010 3:49:00 PM

    YOU LIBERALS ARE AS STOOPID AS PAGANS WERE IN 201 A.D....christianity is just a passing fad---it wont hurt anybody; paganism will live 4ever.

  • James 07/21/2010 3:14:00 PM

    Nobody knows what organization was really behind the attacks. Sure, Al Quaeda(?) claimed responsibility but really these are also the people supposedly training a monkey army...Freedom of religion supposedly exists in America, but so does the freedom to be an ignorant, small minded, "Patriotic American" (They more like the English during the revolution). The Moronic Trash outbreeds the intelligent level headed types especially in NYC. The City gets dumber by the day.

  • VILLAGE VOICE LOVES CENSORSHIP 07/21/2010 1:42:00 PM

    MY PREVIOUS COMMENT WAS ERASED----CAUSE IT OFFENDED SOME RELIGIOUS FANATIC MUSLIM???? this from a gay jewish paper that NO MUSLIM WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH!!!! LOONIE = VILLAGE VOICE LOVING RELIGIOUS FANATICS, AS LONG AS THEY ARE MUSLIM RELIGIOUS FANATICS.

  • pork 07/21/2010 10:48:00 AM

    niceguy, your analogy is ridiculous. like someone would ever try to build a shrine in the middle of the harbor. but for argument's sake, how many blocks away from ground zero would it be okay for them to build a mosque? three? eight? fifteen? maybe all of manhattan should be mosque free? when christian extremists bombed the federal building in oklahoma did they ban all churches within a two mile radius? towelhead, you just sound like a crackhead.

  • J 07/21/2010 7:17:00 AM

    Let them build the mosque in the name of religious freedom, this is America after all, not a Muslim country; but call it what it is, a shrine to the martyrs of 9/11. The site was deliberately chosen to be built in a building heavily damaged by the Islamic victory. The overwhelming success of the jihad mission shows Muslims that Allah is on their side. Any mosque there is going to be a battlefield pilgrimage site for the most objectionable elements of the Islamic world. If they truly wanted to bridge cultures they'd pick a less sensitive location and would have avoided the connotations of Islamic conquests that traditionally build monuments to Islam in strategic locations meant to remind non-Muslims of their humiliating defeat.

  • towelhead 07/21/2010 5:06:00 AM

    Islam, like cancer, has the sole purpose of making more of itself. It will kill our civilization unless it is cut, poisoned, and radiated into remission. We will never submit to Islam. We will fight on the beaches, we will fight on the landing grounds, we will fight in the fields and in the streets, we will fight in the hills; we will never submit. "The real crime, and the real betrayal, would be to sacrifice centuries of advances in human freedom as well as the future of our children and grandchildren to appease Muslims, who contribute virtually nothing to our societies and are hostile to their very foundations. The Sudeten Germans... were dangerous fifth column... The Czech government thus expelled them from its land in 1946. Muslims in the West are Sudeten Germans of Czechoslovakia. They must be handled the same way." - Fjordman

  • NYC NiceGuy 07/21/2010 4:43:00 AM

    Come on, now. People are not stupid. Bookish intellectual types live in their minds so much that they mistake words for reality - but those who have not lost their intuition to abstract reasoning know exactly what all this is about. During WWII, Japanese-Americans served honorably in the U.S. Army. What if these same Japanese-Americans then petitioned to have a Shinto shrine built next to the USS Arizona memorial at Pearl Harbor? Wouldn't people just think they're nuts? So too these Muslims. They pretend to share Western values - and of course, like most religious people, they are hypocrites when it comes to picking and choosing exactly what they wish to honor. But a cultural outreach center this mosque is not, and so close to the site of 9/11 - which, BTW, I'm glad happened because America needs a good ass-kickin' every now and then, like any big bully - is nothing more than not-so-covert in-your-face triumphalism. Beware those who would use your own values against you! Freedom of religion? That's an oxymoron, considering that all religions (except probably the Buddhists) consign non-believers to hell or some kind of purgatory.

 

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