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Gay porn has long been hard-hit by drugs, AIDS, and the Internet, but David Forest still wants to keep his perch polished. The 64-year-old manager/"madam" rode the crest of porn's heyday for years, then more recently saw it drop like a private part in desperate need of fluffing.

"The past 15 years have seen the dwindling of the gay erotic world as far as films and club appearances," Forest told me, sounding bereft. "In '98, when I got out of prison for 'pandering and pimping,' I reassembled. I hoped to get porn star Ryan Idol back into movies, "But he claimed he didn't think the studio had signed the deal. Since then, Ryan, unfortunately, has gone to prison, and who knows? That's probably the end of him." Is your head spinning yet? Two prison sentences in the first bit of exposition? By the way, Idol was sentenced two years ago for beating his ex-girlfriend with a toilet lid. Not sexy at all.

"We developed new stars," Forest went on, "and it was OK, but in the past five years, the studios have really clamped down on budgets. A good example would be Zeb Atlas, who came on the scene as a physique star. People liked him, but he wouldn't do any gay sex. When I finally got him a deal with Falcon Studios, he did gay sex. Money talks. He did two scenes in 2008—with Matthew Rush and Adam Killian—and got $25,000. But that was the last time anyone's gotten that kind of money!

Atlas hugs: David Forest and Zeb Atlas
Christopher Green Photography
Atlas hugs: David Forest and Zeb Atlas

"Things dropped so drastically between '08 and '12. Raging Stallion Studios wanted to drop him to $2,000 a scene and opted for four scenes." But Forest says they only shot two, losing interest when Atlas did scenes for other people. The proliferation of online sex has obviously hit the studios in the crotch, and everyone's getting tighter than Jeff Stryker's mouth before he finally bottomed.

Some background: California-born Forest dropped out of Stanford in the '70s to work in the music biz, and he did well with it—he booked or agented acts like Stevie Nicks and James Taylor—until a mishap led to bankruptcy and a new career handling porn gods. ("I've always had good taste in boys.") Things were good, but in 1996 came the 19-month jail stay, as he freely admits, after his arrest for being a go-between. "You cannot commission a boy for sex with a man," Forest explained. "But prison was a good place to learn patience. I needed to be slowed down a little bit. And there was some good sex there. I did more oral action than I've ever done in my life!" Is it any wonder so many gay porn movies have a prison scene?

"I'm now doing my business legally," he went on. "I've started knightsandsquires.com, using all the boys I've met through the years. They want to make a few extra bucks. But they're not hookers and don't want to be porn stars. Clients are going to contact me. They can see pictures, then I'll have the boy give them a call—I have nothing to do with what follows. In 2004, I was arrested again for pimping and pandering and found not guilty. The jury said, 'What happens after David makes a connection, he cannot be held responsible for.'" Insiders tell me all this is a long shot, but Forest has seen a way to at least try staying afloat as the bubble pops.

He also has a connection service called meetthexxxstars.com, "but the problem is people don't want to pay big money to meet stars when they can go on social media or rentboy.com and do it. And there really aren't any XXX stars that people are dying to meet anyway." (Furthermore, thesword.com—owned by the same company as Falcon and Raging Stallion—revealed that Forest's site features some stars Forest doesn't even handle. He responded that he's just offering suggestions. Seems like there's more mutual swiping in porn than there are "69" scenes.)

Meanwhile, the demise of the biz is mirroring some literal dying, as a recent rash of suicides and other deaths have shaken up a world predicated on macho artifice. Ryan Idol—the toilet-seat guy—started this awful ball rolling way back in '98 when he druggily jumped out of his third-floor apartment window. Recently, Arpad Miklos and several others were tragically successful at killing themselves. Steroids, low self-esteem, discrimination, and bad luck all seem to be factors in such losses.

"Some porn stars are troubled," Forest said. "What throws it off is when they get married, have a child, and here they are fucking guys for a living. It puts the pressure on them. They like the income, but they know it's not gonna do them any good in the future."

Before we parted, I wanted some more juice on the past. In the '80s, Forest arranged hookups for gay stars like Rock Hudson, Merv Griffin, and Versace. It was like a giant closet on the Love Boat! Forest won't name living clients, but he would say that a current music star uses his services. "But he has a man," I exclaimed. "They do it together!" he advised. Great. With their money, maybe the industry can have a comeback.

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22 comments
williamcole
williamcole

You can't have a porn industry when every Tom, Dick and Harriet can live stream from their "where ever they are" for free.

williamcole
williamcole

You can't have a porn industry when every Tom, Dick and Harriet can have their own free channel with a clicks of a mouse. 

Anonymous
Anonymous

David Forest is nothing but a con artist with a criminal record undeserving of any publicity.  Beware readers:  DO NOT subscribe to any of his supposed adult porn star programs, whether they be Meet The Stars or Knights and Squires -- whatever.  They are bogus.  He will scam you out of your money!  A true fraudster.  Most of the porn stars he has showcased on his programs refute any association with him and have repeatedly asked him to remove their names and faces.  Trust me on this.  I know many of those porn stars.

par3000
par3000

That Knights and Squires website is so amateur it will make you feel like it's 1998 and you're back on a dial up connection.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Well, nice try, but wrong. What ended gay porn is piracy, the bareback divide, and the proliferation of anyone with a camera calling themselves a pornographer. I mean, why pay for what you can steal with impunity? And make no mistake, what the "average" guys are making is verboten in the world of gay porn studios (translation: they aren't using condoms).  But, the gay porn industry has no one to blame but themselves because, among many reasons, we allow a**holes like Forest pimping, studios like Falcon, Raging Stallion, Titan and ChiChi turning out cookie-cutter crap, and no one big enough to make a difference willing to step up and do something about the massive theft facilitated by search engines, free blog sites, and file lockers, not to mention the vast illegal trade via torrents. Funny how people here have said there just aren't any porn "stars" any more, just models. When you crank up your internet connection and steal the latest bareback scene, just keep asking yourself why it's just not the same anymore.

PhilTarley
PhilTarley

The internet made porn free and available to anyone, anywhere. It killed the careers of all- : . porn actors, producers, directors, reviewers. No sets are being built. N

No films shot on the soundstages in The Valley.

Porn is dead. Long live Porn.  

hkguy
hkguy

Hi, Michael! Unfortunately, your reporting is inaccurate, if understandable because even Ryan Idol's Wikipedia entry gets it wrong. In 1998, he fell out of a fourth (not third) floor window in a New York hotel (not his home). He was in town to perform at the Black Party. 

williamHK
williamHK

What really sucks with porn stars is when they do too many films and get overexposed.  I find myself looking at the amateurs more and more, but then they turn up in too many films....so now I'm looking at bi-porn for fresh faces.  That's what we want in porn, is the new, fresh face.

lund519
lund519

Hardly anyone in gay adult entertainment today is even GAY.  And so, what we ended up with is a closeted society of new gay men - on the internet, in chat rooms, on iPhone apps - all searching for someone who looks just like these straight college athletes and not realizing these guys ARE NOT GAY!  And once they do come out, they are devastated to find that there about 10,000 Stanford Blatch (Sex & The City) to every 1 Matthew Rush.  

Our fantasies are great, but now they've blurred into reality which has been devastating - we're expecting perfection among gay men, who mostly have never participated in contact sports, competitive weightlifting, or activities that bring out the kind of physique during adolescence that we seem to be interested in.  Stereotype? Yes, but most of it is true.  We want what we can't have, and in this economy, there are literally thousands of not-gay college boys who've baited, attacked and harassed gay men for years but will gladly take our money so they can feed their addictions, pay their child support, remain fugitives, or buy their new girlfriend an engagement ring.  It's too bad that gay men have little to no interest in each other, because that's what feeds the fear in straight men - they know we look at them.  They know we'd rather have sex with them.  And straight men will continue to hate us, and gay men will continue to hate each other.

SavannahMontgomery
SavannahMontgomery

That's "gay liberation" for ya....lesser need for "pricey" service...out of the closet? Well, "almost" freebies!  That said, there will always be those who'll want the service, just not at those price points...the boat has sailed.

tampontammy
tampontammy

An article "celebrating" a convicted child trafficker?  This article is almost like a plug for his sleazy services. Why are we having articles like this? 

Khloe
Khloe

This guy is a con artist of the highest order. Guess it doesn't take much to get an interview with Musto

AndrewSharp
AndrewSharp

The porn star went out with the VHS tape.

jessylsd
jessylsd

@JuicyGigolo Oh! Oh! People need such articles to make certain fantasies... Real?!? LOL!!!

Nick
Nick

Why would anyone want to do business with a felon?

justhernandez71
justhernandez71

.@mikeymusto The era of porn stars is long gone. No disrespect, but IMO anyone who's done porn lately is a porn model, not a star.

cookybaker
cookybaker

@lund519  Stanford was a very nice guy, well-dressed, came from $, smart, sensitive, so one could do a whole (hole) lot less. And in the end he found true love & got married, even if it was to Mario!

billyjoe
billyjoe

@lund519 Yep. Ain't it the truth. Gay men lust mostly over the ones they can't have.

williamHK
williamHK

@lund519 very interesting and observant...totally feelin' what you're saying, we're being brainwashed into unrealistic expectations and really fear intimacy!

SavannahMontgomery
SavannahMontgomery

Those "muscle gods" used to be rare...now, finding a "regular guy" (porn-wise) is hard.

 
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