"To me, that seems highly unlikely," she says. "You don't need health insurance to go to a treatment center."

"I think most of them are just trying to get treated at low cost, which is obviously a tragedy."

Brennan is New York City's Special Narcotics Prosecutor, and her office is responsible for prosecuting drug crimes. It was created by the city's five district attorneys in the 1980s as a way to respond to a new epidemic of heroin and a corresponding citywide increase in violent crimes.

Brennan doesn't seem surprised, or especially concerned, to learn that people are using Craigslist to sell their detox meds. She notes that Craigslist drug sales have transpired on and off for years. "Our focus is on more of the major suppliers," she says. "But we do monitor Craigslist, and we do periodic sweeps there."

Addiction researcher Adam Bisaga says, “You wouldn’t get as high as with heroin. . . . But you’d still feel somewhat affected.”
Caleb Ferguson
Addiction researcher Adam Bisaga says, “You wouldn’t get as high as with heroin. . . . But you’d still feel somewhat affected.”

Brennan says that, in her experience, most dealers carry Suboxone as a way to keep their clientele happy; in recent years, her office has busted several drug rings that stock it alongside heroin, Xanax, and Percocet. Addicts buy Suboxone when they can't afford their drug of choice, or when they have a pressing social engagement that requires them not to turn up totally high.

"It's not being used in the context we've seen it to kick a habit or even to replace a narcotic dependence," she asserts. "What I've seen is not a real commitment to getting clean, it's just a way to control your habit a little bit better."

Mike Laverde agrees. He's a former heroin addict himself, now nine years sober and an intervention specialist with a Chicago company called Family First Intervention. Like Brennan, he sees black-market Suboxone users as just another subspecies of addict.

"They think they can take the Suboxone and come off drugs themselves," he says. "But they can't. The problem in the drugs department is them." Without actual treatment, Laverde says, addicts are very likely to fall back into dependence on their drug of choice. That practice—toggling back and forth between the drug you like and the drug that helps you avoid withdrawal—is known as "bridging."

"People cycle on and off, absolutely," says Jose Sanchez, a substance-use counselor at the nonprofit Lower East Side Harm Reduction Center. His clients, Sanchez explains, tell him they carefully plan out their drug use. "They'll stop taking the Suboxone for a couple days, so that by the third day they'll be able to feel that zing of the opiate, whether it's heroin or Oxycontin."

It's unlikely they'll ever really get clean that way, he adds. "It certainly could work. But I think to be successful, you need every bit of support you can get"—i.e., counseling and a doctor's supervision.

When someone self-medicates with Suboxone, Sanchez says, "You really can't judge how well the medicine's working for you. All you know is you feel good that day, and the next day you want to feel just as good."

If you wanted to kick an opiate habit the aboveground way, you might visit a doctor like Dana Jane Saltzman, an internist who's also one of the 1,600 doctors in New York State authorized to prescribe Suboxone. Her practice is hidden away in midtown, in a nondescript, five-story building not far from the marquee lights of the Ambassador Theater. She keeps two websites, one for her regular practice, and the other, NYCSuboxone.com, for people looking to get clean.

Saltzman's building is a little down at the heels, but her clientele is anything but. Most of her Suboxone patients, she says, are Wall Street guys, "masters of the universe types" who find themselves with a pain-pill addiction and a pressing need to get sober without cutting into their 100-hour workweeks.

"I see a lot of young men, very high-functioning, very ambitious and upwardly mobile," Saltzman says. Many of them are prescribed Oxycontin after they sustain sports injuries: shoulders, backs, knees. A client came to see her several weeks ago who'd been on the painkiller for two years before he realized he'd become dependent.

Buprenorphine is popular with Saltzman's patients and other opiate addicts for one basic reason: It too is an opiate.

"It hits and stimulates the same receptors in the brain that are affected by heroin or methadone," explains Adam Bisaga. He's a professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University and an addiction researcher at the New York State Psychiatric Institute.

Like other opiates, buprenorphine binds to certain receptors in the brain. It's "stickier" than drugs like heroin, binding to those receptors faster and holding on longer: Morphine has a half-life of about two hours; buprenorphine's is anywhere from 24 to 60 hours.

Buprenorphine is also a partial opioid agonist. It doesn't fill up the brain's receptors as completely as heroin or painkillers do, making its effects much more muted than the intense euphoria heroin offers.

"It stimulates the receptors, but only to 50 percent," Bisaga explains. "At some point there's a ceiling, and no matter how much you take, you'll never get across that. It's like an electronic block on your gas pedal in a sports car."

To further limit its effects, Suboxone contains naloxone, an opiate blocker. The most famous naloxone-containing drug is Narcan, which can treat people during an overdose, and which has no known potential for abuse. Subutex, a Reckitt Benckiser-manufactured formulation that's pure buprenorphine, is more potent—and in greater demand on the black market. Saltzman says she won't prescribe it unless a patient has a proven allergy to naloxone.

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Anonymous

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gracephilip003

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gracephilip003
gracephilip003

MY HIV/AIDS HEALING TESTIMONY
Thanks to the great doctor who help me out with 45mins hiv/aids cure, you know the type of pain, and know mind settle, if you are HIV too, 8year ago when I have not meet DR.AHMED the most great man I have never know I was in pain I can’t sleep again I always think about how i can get through this situation before my mind go into internet doctor when I try to search for help I found a comment about a man named  dr.ahmed all over the internet I was so surprised that there is a cure over this year I have been suffering and they wrote good things about this man, how drahmedspellcaster@gmail.com help them I read about 3 testimony about this man how kind and power this man was so i contacted him for help too but to my greatest surprise he told me not to worry again that my problem is very easy for him to handle and i did exactly what he asked me to do so he sent some herbal or african medicine to me and he told me to take it that after taking it, i should go for check up in a nearby hospital and to my greatest surprise when i went the doctor told me that i was hiv negative  and I drop a promise that I will share his name over the world if he cured me, and that is what am doing now please my people this man is real this man will help you also, according to what he told me to have faith on him if you have the faith my brother and sister you will know how powerful the man is and I put all my hope, effort, trust, and listing to what he say and do according to his words that is how I get myself negative what a miracle thanks my dear doctor, drahmedspellcaster@gmail.com OR call +2349037457544. i believe you will also drop your comment after seeing this man. thanks..........

msmintz66
msmintz66

I am 48 years old and have been taking prescribed narcotics since I was 15 years old due to severe cramping which was later diagnosed as endometriosis.  I started out taking Tylenol #3 when I was 15 and by the time I was in my 30's I was taking 12 - 15 Vicodin ES a day which I supplemented by an occasional 50mg demerol.  By the time I waS IN MY LATE 30's I was taking 18 Vicodin ES a day along with flexeril and valium.


Before I hit 40 I decided to try Suboxone and it changed my life almost immediately.  I went thru the 2 day induction process at Columbia University in NYC  and was dumbstruck that by ingesting 16 mgs of suboxone sublingually, all of my withdrawal symptoms (yawning, watery eyes,  diarhea) completely dissapeared and I was able to go to work and interact normally with my husband without the  craving for narcotics the very same day I started suboxone.


I'm old enought to realize that every person's relationship with themselves and their addictions are unique and readily acknowledge that what works for me may well not work for someone else however I feel compelled to tell anyone reading these comments that Suboxone allowed me to give my body a break from the constant narcotic use and allowed me the peace of mind  I needed to genuinely evaluate whether or not the amount of pain I was suffering with required the large doses of pills I was taking.


Anyone looking for a way to stop the relentless cycle of addiction  - even if it's only for the purpose of getting a clear head so you can better evaluate your pain level or addiction level and truly detremine whether or not the way you've been living is the way you want to keep living, suboxone can help.


Try It.  TRY IT FOR TWO WEEKS and then decide what the best option is for you and the life goals you have set for yourself.

harrylilly1
harrylilly1

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billyxoc1
billyxoc1

I do heroin I also work and rise two kids. I have a habit of our gram aday that's 10 to 12 papers or bags. This Is more than anyone I know. This is my last day. I took last shot at 10.my hour b30am Tues. I see doctor in morning at 11.30 am I will be sick as hell. I am going on suboxon let's see what really happens. It's 2.00pm I am okay now. Ok went to bed woke up sick omg its bad. Crawld to car my mom drove me the 120 miles yo doc. I kept praying we would never get there. But we did and we walked into the office. He started asking me questions I have no idea what the fuck he said. Finally he called n a script. We had to go to drug store. Got the siboxon and drove back he gave me one 8mg tab. I went to lobby went to sleep. 45 Min later he woke me we went in his:: office he gave me 2 more. I still feel bad no change. Went back to lobby. Went to sleep. He woke me n a hour. Gave me one more I threw it up in trash can. But I am starting to feel better. Very little but some. I went out side threw up again. He told me to come back n his office asked me how I feel told him bad. He told ne to come back n morning. I went to motel room went to bed woke up sweating my ass off. I took like 5 showers. Woke up at 7 I was ssick but not as I was. I took a pill and ate two bits of breakfast. And then headed back to his office I took one more pill. We get to office I feel good. Then bad then good. He told me ti come back n 10 days he said take 4 a day. Ok we left drove hone I slept took one more got home feel good went to town and started feeling bad went home to bed slept. Woke up next day feel ok took pill n 47 min I was good. Took another a hour:-)later I feel good went to town had a beer I feel great took one more. Now n bed. I feel pretty good thanks Billy

henrywestwood1
henrywestwood1




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henrywestwood1
henrywestwood1




My name Douglas dashy from Oxford,UK ...HIV has been ongoing in my family for long..I lost both parents to HIV and it is so much pain have not been able to get over.As we all know medically,there is no solution or cure for HIV and the cost for Medication is very expensive..Someone introduced me to a man(Native Medical Practitional)in oxford..I showed the man all my Tests and Results and i told him have already diagnosed with HIV and have spent thousands of dollars on medication..I said i will like to try him cos someone introduced me to him..He asked me sorts of questions and i answered him correctly..To cut the story short,He gave me some medicinal soaps and some herbs(have forgot the name he called them) and he thought me how am gonna use them all..At first i was skeptical but i just gave it a try..I was on his Medication for 2 weeks and i used all the soaps and herbs according to his prescription.. that he will finish the rest himself..and i called him 3 days after, i arrived and i told him what is the next thing..he said,he has been expecting my call.. he told me to visit my doctor for another test..Honestly speaking,i never believe all he was saying until after the test when my doctor mention the statement that am, HIV negative and the doctor started asking me how do i do it....Am telling this story in case anyone may need this man his email is: dr.skhivhomefcure@gmail.com or call him now at +2348158847627

dr.skhivhomefcure
dr.skhivhomefcure




My name Douglas dashy from Oxford,UK ...HIV has been ongoing in my family for long..I lost both parents to HIV and it is so much pain have not been able to get over.As we all know medically,there is no solution or cure for HIV and the cost for Medication is very expensive..Someone introduced me to a man(Native Medical Practitional)in oxford..I showed the man all my Tests and Results and i told him have already diagnosed with HIV and have spent thousands of dollars on medication..I said i will like to try him cos someone introduced me to him..He asked me sorts of questions and i answered him correctly..To cut the story short,He gave me some medicinal soaps and some herbs(have forgot the name he called them) and he thought me how am gonna use them all..At first i was skeptical but i just gave it a try..I was on his Medication for 2 weeks and i used all the soaps and herbs according to his prescription.. that he will finish the rest himself..and i called him 3 days after, i arrived and i told him what is the next thing..he said,he has been expecting my call.. he told me to visit my doctor for another test..Honestly speaking,i never believe all he was saying until after the test when my doctor mention the statement that am, HIV negative and the doctor started asking me how do i do it....Am telling this story in case anyone may need this man his email is: dr.skhivhomefcure@gmail.com or call him now at +2348158847627

m.ram131313
m.ram131313

I would really like help to get of methadone. I hear that suboxone helps can someonepplease help me find a way to get them?

mahituna
mahituna

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deafmichelle33
deafmichelle33

Hi . I need help .. I would like to try and start use suboxone.. I want to get myself better . Where can I get them ?

chrisekat85
chrisekat85

When are the first signs u should take a piece of suboxin for withdraws from herion??

ShanShan
ShanShan

Spent 5k to walk into a rehab out of state.  Rehab took my money and booted me after the 1st week due to insurance not wanting to pay.  So here I was with no insurance to cover these meds, and I had to turn to the street for them.  The first drug rehab  tried me on made me have horrible hallucinations (subutex?) but the day they put me on Suboxone was the day I got my life back.  I used Suboxone for 2 weeks straight to get off the drug and now I only use 1/4 piece of strip as maintenance when I crave every so often.  While Suboxone doesn't make me high, I can't take it at night because it keeps me up all night.  This drug is a life saver for those who use it properly and who are determined to get clean.  You can get strips on the street for $10-15 each where I live and even though it isn't right to purchase the meds off the street, it's better than a $260 a day habit on Roxi ($30 street value per pill) that I had before taking Suboxone.

I almost lost everything due to my addiction but now I am proud to say that after 14 months of remaining clean and sober, I finally have money in the bank and a much better relationship with myself and family than ever before.  

I am a 40 year old female, two children, married and a grandson.

jaylaomega
jaylaomega

I have been on opiates since 2005. I got addicted after an epidural messed up my back and the doc prescribed me 180 Percocet. I finally got clean in 2012, COLD TURKEY may I add. But this back pain got the best of me and after being clean for a year I relapsed. I'm BiPolar I as well so I'm on Prozac, Seroquel, Ambien and opiates.... Sad, sad combination. Believe me, I tried to find a sub doc but the visits are too damned expensive. $300. True enough I spend $300+ a month on pills but not at one time..... So I attempted to wean myself off, needless to say it didn't work. My neighbor who's a heroin addict gave me an 8mg sub strip and I waited til I was in full wd to take it. I cut the strip into 3 pieces and I took my first dose on 3/21/14. And guess what? I was higher than I've ever been in my life. I guess it affects different people in different ways. Every person is not the same. Coming from a place of addiction, I can totally see this spiraling out of control. But the one difference is I feel better. I want to live and I want to be productive. Sub is a wonder drug and if used properly u can become sober. It's not for everybody.

Daniel
Daniel

It's good to see an article with discussion

on Soboxone. Last Feb I flew back from West to my Eastern Coast city,

and went into in detox, they suggested Soboxone. And I did go on it.

While it did help with the acute withdrawals,

Suboxone kept me hooked on opiates.

I could only get daily "carries" and the only place that

supplied Suboxone was in the west-central part of the gigantic city

I had returned to.

soon after being discharged from detox, I was alternating between

street dope (heroin, and Oxys and other pills) and Soboxone. This was because I would

miss a carry ( I was homeless at the time and would move from

shelter to shelter). So I'd lose a bus ticket, miss a carry, end up sick again and

back to the street drugs. This went on as long as I stayed on Soboxone.

Once off that Soboxone I was off the opiates!

whicor777
whicor777

SubSux...I have a feeling you are not a fully dependent on opiates yet! The reason i say this is because you talk about being lethargic for up to a year, i don't know any opiate dependent person that would make a statement like this! I have been opiate dependent for 20 plus years, i have tried every remedy known to man to become normal..i finally realized a long time ago that being normal was never going to be in the cards for me because of my altered brain chemistry due to abusing opiates ...i will never be able to normalize my opiate dependent brain...i have self medicated to escape the hell i lived in my whole life due to other mind disorders...when i here someone say they could soldier on for possibly a year suffering lethargic disorders." to keep a job" it tells me they have not suffered the true depth of opiate dependence! Suboxone is so much better than sticking a needle in your arm and chasing that rush that takes you to the brink of death..and if you need to eliminate your so called addiction to suboxone..then just start shooting heroin again..get your fill and start subs again and jump when the Dr says..no problem, that's if its possible for you to do? I have seen this work in short term young users that sought help while there was yet time, they had not yet become dependent to the brutal opioid drug.Suboxone saves lives and it will soon be widely excepted that it will become a life long savior for the otherwise doomed opiate dependent human brain.

jonathansardinhaa
jonathansardinhaa

I joined this site to look at others people opinion on the subject, and now that I have im sad, If you haven't been an addict and just think you are better than others than you may as well be writing letters to the makers of suboxone and stay on you guys high horse's... Im glad im clean but damn I thought better from people.. I guess I was naïve.

jonathansardinhaa
jonathansardinhaa

A lot of people abuse suboxone because they want to, and don't have the want to stop but don't want to be sick.. I was an addict for a long time and I decided to take suboxone, not from a dr but I bought ten pills and it works, When I would take it I would be energetic and functional. NOT HIGH... now most people just get bored of being sober or need a crutch. And dr want to put out as many pills as possible. I can be a oxycodone addict or heroine addict and still get over it painlessly with suboxone, but then were does that leave me? Alone and wanting to get high to get rid of the problems I had before.. ive been up and down but if people would get 20 subs and work them with a family member and slowly get back to reality it would work subs alone will not cut it and if you just want to shoot em up or snort them, then just stay an addict you have to want to stop, people on subs need a support system. People get high for a reason, whatever it may be to each there own. But with help from a friend or family member subs work but the person has to have a want to get clean.. Then again im not a great person or strong mind neither I was an addict for years before I saw my life was 6 years gone. so I miss my friend family and reality.. Subs help if you want them too its just a painless way to not be sick and get on you're feet.. other than that its on the individual.. Sorry for ranting good luck to everyone.... All I know is im smiling today and im happy.. 

thommyberlin1
thommyberlin1

Because using is using and people die from using. That's how I see it.

lcatsimanes
lcatsimanes

Look- let's get real. The recovery market is full of scam artists, from unregulated "rehabs" that are really just sober living houses to sober houses shabbily run...All the way to strip-mall "Pain Management" clinics that are run by nothing more than Federally certified drug dealers who look the other way to make a buck.


There is an alternative, for those who embrace the harm reduction method. Get with a real addiction Dr. Private practice? Frustratingly, these people aren't always known by even the best substance abuse counselors. And here's the kicker- they often charge LESS per half hour than a "mill doc". Why? I have no idea. Poor marketing, I think, and a natural fear of doctors from addicts.  But when you find a good one? He/she will insist on actual time during your appointments. Not the wait 45 minutes, get drug tested, get your script after 5 minutes with the doc regardless of results. You also won't get the ridiculous doses a scam Doc will give you.


I've seen it ALL, working with a "too young, too smart" son who wanted to get clean, yet was still gripped by the the damaged parts of his brain that rule addiction. After many attempts at clean- on his own, rehab etc- he's now 1 month shy of a year from heroin.  His current addiction doctor classified him as a "hard core addict". And still. Suboxone- never more than 8mgs, down to 2 mgs per day- has been the one thing that's tamped down his urge, kept the horses at bay and allowed him to remember who he is as he heals.


Think about it: Nicotine and opiates are about the same level of addiction. Nobody bats an eye when somebody chooses Nicorette or another med to step down and out. Why the judgement about Suboxone?

sunfla
sunfla

Suboxene was a lifesaver for me. I was taking up to 120 mg a day of methadone. Was on 8mgs a day for a year and started cutting back.down to 2mgs a day and still fighting!

thommyberlin1
thommyberlin1

"I'm using drugs to get off drugs."

Just say it to yourself a couple of times. Kinda silly innit....

Drug addicts use drugs.... methadone, xanax and buprenorphine ARE drugs. 

Funny how rarely they ask people who've actually gone through it what they think...

LOOK: Heroin withdrawals are no big deal. They won't kill you.  Anyone who's been addicted for any period of time goes through withdrawals many times. Oh it's no fun, but really it's no big deal.

If you're going to prescribe drugs, they may as well be the good ones which are usually less harmful than the substitutes.

Xanax withdrawals CAN kill you, Suboxone takes longer, but methadone is BY FAR the worst. Withdrawals off methadone are NEVER ENDING. 

The truth is MOST people simply don't want to get off, or don't know how.

If you want to get off dope there's places where you can go and talk to people who have gotten off - and it doesn't cost you a thing - not a single penny.

that's what I did.

The first time I shot up was the late 1970's. I've been off 5 and 1/2 years. Had I known what my life could be, I would have done it sooner.




sa1234
sa1234

to the author, thank you so VERY much for writing this article.  we have a family member who is an opiate addict and using suboxone but saying he is off of the "hard stuff" which did not add up for us.  this article explains why. he has agreed to see a doctor to officially begin a suboxone program with therapy and drug testing.  we hope and pray that he is finally committed to getting clean and that suboxone treatment will put him on that  path.  would love more info on how effective the suboxone treatments are long-term.  please consider writing more articles on this topic to give loved ones an understanding of the world of those addicted to opiates.  

wado1967
wado1967

I have been taking suboxone for 6 months, my life is 100% better. with counseling once a week, more people need to hear the positive part of suboxone. if mehodone works for you great. after  all the point is to get sober,and drug free.

lnmd93
lnmd93

long_term-addict below makes a very good point.... level of functioning is the goal of treatment.  People on methadone do not improve their level of functioning.  People on Suboxone do.  This is a simple point of fact.  Methadone was created to prevent people from using needles and spreading HIV/AIDS.  Suboxone was created to help people truly recover...and they do!!!

joannerees
joannerees

@billyxoc1  Have you seen this fascinating documentary on Ibogaine? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khhsboVsyrw

I recommend contacting https://crossroadsibogaine.com/  for several reasons. They are just across the border from San Diego. Here is what makes Crossroads unique:

- Dr Martin Polanco has over 14 years experience with Ibogaine treatment.

- Dr Luna is our Stanford trained cardiologist.

- State of the art medical facility adjacent to the highly reputable Hospital Angeles.

- Luxury healing sanctuary located on the beach in a secure gated community.

- Experienced staff that masterfully balances clinical professionalism with heartfelt compassionate care.

- All treatments supervised by no less than 2 licensed emergency room doctors and 2 nurses. 

- Our unique treatment protocol including 5meo-dmt. 

- Comprehensive aftercare available and 6 weeks FREE recovery coaching. 619-452-1130


joannerees
joannerees

@billyxoc1  Have you seen this fascinating documentary on Ibogaine? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khhsboVsyrw

I recommend contacting https://crossroadsibogaine.com/  for several reasons. They are just across the border from San Diego. Here is what makes Crossroads unique:

- Dr Martin Polanco has over 14 years experience with Ibogaine treatment.

- Dr Luna is our Stanford trained cardiologist.

- State of the art medical facility adjacent to the highly reputable Hospital Angeles.

- Luxury healing sanctuary located on the beach in a secure gated community.

- Experienced staff that masterfully balances clinical professionalism with heartfelt compassionate care.

- All treatments supervised by no less than 2 licensed emergency room doctors and 2 nurses. 

- Our unique treatment protocol including 5meo-dmt. 

- Comprehensive aftercare available and 6 weeks FREE recovery coaching. 619-452-1130


joannerees
joannerees

@m.ram131313  Have you seen this fascinating documentary on Ibogaine? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khhsboVsyrw

I recommend contacting https://crossroadsibogaine.com/  for several reasons. They are just across the border from San Diego. Here is what makes Crossroads unique:

- Dr Martin Polanco has over 14 years experience with Ibogaine treatment.

- Dr Luna is our Stanford trained cardiologist.

- State of the art medical facility adjacent to the highly reputable Hospital Angeles.

- Luxury healing sanctuary located on the beach in a secure gated community.

- Experienced staff that masterfully balances clinical professionalism with heartfelt compassionate care.

- All treatments supervised by no less than 2 licensed emergency room doctors and 2 nurses. 

- Our unique treatment protocol including 5meo-dmt. 

- Comprehensive aftercare available and 6 weeks FREE recovery coaching. 619-452-1130

mahituna
mahituna

@deafmichelle33  Doctors or off the street, watch the Doctors who want you on a maintenance program (year or years). Subs are a bitch to stop after year(s) of use but it means  a lot of money for the Doctor. Get on and off as quick as possible. If you want to really stop a short term taper will work.

mahituna
mahituna

@deafmichelle33  Start with lowest amount possible. Start with 1mg and wait 1 hour and take 1mg more if not feeling better, repeat if needed. stop when you feel better. that is your starting dose, stay on that for a few days and then taper weekly maybe 25%. when you get to .5mg start to skip a day. then start to skip 2 days. when you get to 4 days stop. the key is the lower you start off with the quicker the taper. nobody usually needs 8mg to get relief let alone 16mg. Subs are very powerful and have a long half life 30+ hours compared to Oxy 4-6 hrs. main key: start as low as possible and taper. you will still be uncomfortable at the end but nothing close to cold turkey. if your motivation to stop is high a short term sub taper will work. remember to make changes in your life as well. Also walking helps a lot, a trip around the block will do wonders and I think it's a requirement. 

lnmd93
lnmd93

@chrisekat85  You need to be in the withdrawal stage..i.e. sweats, chills, body aches, restless legs, etc.  If you take it too early you will precipitate withdrawal and you will think you need more Suboxone...if withdrawal gets worse with Suboxone, you took it too early.....Good luck in your recovery.....

lnmd93
lnmd93

@ShanShan  CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RECOVERY!! You have described perfectly what it is like to get your life back with Suboxone.  Please tell your friends how great this drug is for opiate addiction.  Again, kudos to you and hug that grandson of yours!!

lnmd93
lnmd93

@ShanShan  Congratulations on your recovery!!!  You have described what anyone serious about getting their life back after opiates with Suboxone is like.  Please tell your friends about the benefits of this drug.  Again, kudos to you!!  Hug your grandson!!

SubSux
SubSux

They help if you withdrawl from them appropriately, i.e., QUICKLY!  If you were prescribed a high amount from a doctor, and you didn't know better, staying on them far too long, then my friend, the chains of suboxone are on.  Unless people have had a similar situation, and been on them for far too long, people need to sit back and listen up.  This drug is insanely addictive, and withdrawl symptoms can last more than one year of time.  Withdrawl symtoms causing lethargy that could affect a person's ability to remain employed.

lcatsimanes
lcatsimanes

@sunfla Good for you. You are the poster child for harm reduction treatment within opiate addiction. Tamp down your danger, ramp up your healing. Stay out. GO!!!

SubSux
SubSux

Get off them fast!  Take as low of dosage as possible and continue to taper.  If not, be prepared for a long road ahead.  If you like the effect from them, welcome to the club.  Many of us did, but it will soon be stealing your soul, and all the enjoyment of your life.  You will enter into a state of never ending apathy.   Considered yourself warned.  I know, I have been on them for more than four years.  Worse mistake of my life.

dgnboy2
dgnboy2

Methadone was being used long before HIV was even thought of. As far as "Not Performing " while on methadone? I went to college and became a Registered Nurse, successfully passed my state board exam and have maintained a clean record with the blessing of the State Board of Nursing.

deafmichelle33
deafmichelle33

Hello ? This is Michelle . I would like To talk w a person tell me how and where can I get help ? I need help to WD the oxy . Would like try to use suboxone . I'm more of private person . Too shy be in social or anyone to know me . :)

thommyberlin1
thommyberlin1

@jonathansardinhaa Yeah... about as much as this bullshit requires lol -last night I was in a treatment facility talking to guys trying to get off the shit and in a hospital room with a friend who has been hallucinating for two days thanks to Dr.s who know NOTHING about addicts. Where were you?

lnmd93
lnmd93

@dgnboy2 I am sure that methadone works very well when used correctly.  I did not mean to imply that all people on methadone could not function.  I was responding more to the negative connotations given Suboxone.  It has been my experience that often people are overmedicated with methadone.  It is difficult to overmedicate on Suboxone because of the naloxone component.  I have seen people recover on both.  Each one serves its purpose in the proper setting.  Congratulations on your recovery!!

lnmd93
lnmd93

@jonathansardinhaa @thommyberlin1 This is why they were designed.  They weren't designed to be abused or to substitute for the same affect that opiates create.  The goal is to wean off of them and to stay clean.

 
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