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I always love to see any new law that's in our best interest. We just can't be trusted to take care of thing like this. Look Comrade Falkenrath And Bloomberg know what’s best for us! We should just let them do what's best for us all. We as citizens of the now Communist United States of America should let those in power control all aspects of our lives... or have the new K.G.B kicking in our doors. If you think this is too farfetched let this law get passed and in no time at all it will be reality. Please for the sake of us all don’t let them pass this in to law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chuckie, there is a real good reason that there are no alternative solutions being given; THERE IS NO PROBLEM BEING SOLVED!

While at first glance this seems like a bad idea, under closer inspection it turns out to be much, much worse. There are probably a couple million sensors that would fall under this law (smoke and carbon monoxide detectors probably make it tens of millions). There is no funding attached to this, which means processing the permits would take forever.

I've actually read the law, and the article makes it sound much better than it actually is. The draft was not vetted by anyone who understood environmental testing, public health, law, or the proper placement of commas. The best that could be said about it is that it is unworkable.

Here is just a part of the problem: On any given day there are probably thousands of monitors around the city. Many have set points that cause them to alarm in order to tell the operator of something to change a setting so the alarm goes off. This law states that the operator has to call the police (on a line that will always be busy, as there is no funding for people to administer this program) and tell them about the alarm. There is pretty much no chance that anyone at the other end will know enough about the alarm to know what (if anything) should be done.

The people who came up with this should be waterboarded until they say what their real goal is.

I'll give up my Geiger counter when Christie Whitman and George Bush are put in jail for life for lying about the air quality after 9-11 (and tons of other things...)

Richard Falkenrath, Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Peter Vallone don't want resident do-gooders to be able to question the "authorities" the next time something happens in NYC. Don't worry about that truck spilling (fill in the blank) we have tested it and it's safe! Yeah right! You won't have any proof that some chemical spill caused your kit to get cancer. Dangerous substances need more testing and evaluating not less!

This is the same reason that newspapers/magazines have to tow the line else they don't get invited to the gov. announcements because they ask too many critical questions.

Fewer or no test of any dangerous substance is bad!

The more tests the better!

I see a bunch of whimpering, but no alternative solutions.

1. Set-up a department to test the devices to make sure that they operate within proper tolerance.

2. The department could then issue certificates with measurements as to how far out of calibration the devices are, and could refuse to issue certificates for devices that are too far out of calibration. The price of the certification should not be cost prohibitive for the average Joe.

3. Require the department to do this on an anonymous basis, if requested, in the event that certain entities are afraid of "Big Brother".

4. Require devices to be tested every 6 months to 1 year.

5. Make it illegal to publish readings or opinions gathered from non-certified devices. Require the certificate number, certificate date, GPS location, time/date of the reading, and department issued calibration report of the device used in all publication made as a result of the device use.

If someone is concerned about readings they get from a device that is not certified, they then have the option of hiring a firm with a certified device to do the readings, or getting their device certified, then test again and publishing their findings after certification.

I know if I had a CO detector go off, I would try to pinpoint the problem by hiring in someone with better, more accurate equipment and knowledge.

What is tragic is that even though commendable politicians such as John Liu has serious objections to these overly zealous measures you can bet your posterior that the law will be put in place and we now have one less device to protect ourselves with.

What fascinates me is how these utterly insecure politicians propped up by who knows what gets into the positions of power they do. Something else that is unexplained is why the offices of "protection" always come up with the most ludicrous suggestions.

If this goes on we will no longer have a democratic country but one based off of fear and reduction of individual rights, looking more like China than the Good Old USA we all knew.

Call/Email/Mail your local representative and communicate your displeasure with these kind of measures, and make sure that if they ever want your vote, they better do what you tell them to. Politicians are supposed to serve the people, not the other way around.

With hopes they have a fine time,

/Lindus

It's a plan by the DHS to control all aspects of your life, so that you can be slaughtered en mass at their convenience.

btw: They can't take away your bull-crap detector, you have to give that up voluntarily.

Can't sneak a dirty bomb into the city with all those private detection devices around.

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds are against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves." Winston Churchill

The police are suspicious of all supporting citizens. And most citizens are dubious of police that hold a weekly street rodeo. The assemble and scamper of 100 squad cars is laughable to terrorist, and a sad squandering of federal funds meant to protect our community.

This should be a sign that people in NYC NEED to monitor for air quality, radiation, etc.

The EPA had proven that their goals have nothing to do with protecting citizens, but rather, poisoning and deceiving them.

I would be worried that this is a part of the next 9/11; An effort to make sure that scientific evidence do not get in the way of the cover story (as inconveniently happened last time). Wake up! Why are these people taking so much from us to solve a problem that does not exist?

I don't even live in NYC anymore, and I'm now motivated to go out and buy these instruments. You should be too.

Of course this law is a crock of shit. But it makes sense from the standpoint of a CIA/DOS reptile, whose job it is to destroy the lives of thousands of New Yorkers, just as they did so successfully with the 9-11 inside job.

Vallone and Falkenrath are a perfect team. Vallone...let's see... grafitti nazi, pit-bull hater, Waste Management, Inc, consultant, commuter fee (tax) proponent, taker of improper campaign finance $$$... Vallone is, in short, an idiot, Geo. Bush style, who willingly does what his handlers ask.

Falkenrath, on the other hand, is the scary reptile. A former Homeland Security chief, compromised lobbyist for private security corporations looking to make money from America's "security crisis", and now NYC's "security chief" Falkenrath is one of the scariest reptiles to infest city government since Tammany Hall.

falkenrath, in addition to the above, is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a member of the Aspen Group, a hotbed of CIA and neocon intrigue. Another member is Scooter Libby, of Valerie Plame fame.

http://archive.salon.com/politics/

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So, what's all this mean for gieger counters?

Look, let's say you are a CIA operative, and your job is to plant a suitcase-sized nuke in the City, too go off at a future time, (enough time for you to get the f**k outta Dodge!). Wouldn't it be inconvenient for a citizen, armed with a gieger-counter, to raise the alarm that right under his feet, as it were, ther was a radioactive hot-spot that was literally burning his shoes off?

At the very least, such information, even if it was not acted on (Mr. Falkenrath would see to that!)would come out later, just as so much info has come out about 9-11. in any case, it's better to nix the citizen's ability to "see for themselves".

It has to be like this. Look, if there really were "terrorists", instead of an out-of-control totalitarian federal police state, the government would be GIVING everyone a gieger-counteer, because this would ensure that a nuke could not be detonated in New York City!!!

Folks, you are looking at collectivism at it's . . . best? Whenever the folks that you believe are chosen to serve your best interests want to make sure you can't do something without their permission, especially something to do with health, suspect motives. Social engineering is a long standing basis for communism. There is so much misdirection with the use of the term fascism today and it is done intentionally. State socialism (fascism) is merely one step toward communism. Redland Security did not yet exist at the time of 911 (at least not in the public venue). These public gerbils really don't have enough to do so they figure they'll do something . . . to you. And then you'll feel protected. Have fun comrades. Watch the funnel of centralized power being created before your very eyes.

Do these jerks intend also to outlaw Carbon Monoxide detectors? (detect when dangerous gas levels leak from our heating systems)

Do they intend to outlaw marine boating sensors that detect when dangerous levels of fuel vapor build-up in the engine compartment?

This incredibly un-needed and un-wanted law is yet another GIANT step toward the Nanny-state...they think we're too stupid to take care of ourselves, our loved ones, and our communities...to protect ourselves, to be pro-active in managing our own lives.

This is nothing more than yet another post-9/11 power-grab and a likely means to impose yet another government "Fee" on people.

Quality air is everyone's birth-right.

The ability to personally monitor our environment for dangerous substances of ANY kind is a survival right.

Why don't they ban smoke detectors, since they generate LOTS of false alrms! Since when are the police in the business of creating laws anyway? Their job is to enforce existing ones!

It's obvious we couldn't rely on the EPA for an honest evaluation of air quality. No, I smell ulterior motive here, and it has nothing to do with public safety! When you think about it, this is actually an INSULT to the police officers (including everyone else) who died on 911!

It actually shows the current state of our government wasting precious time on something like this.

Well, let's not be too hasty here. Reducing "false alarms" is certainly a commendable endeavor.

Perhaps the best way to reduce false alarms is -- catch the REAL alarms before they turn into hazards. This calls for an alternate proposal:

Any appointed or elected official, or any member of the Police Department who FAIL to catch or prevent a REAL alarm, accidental or intentional, from occurring, or on whose watch such an event occurs, will be subject to immediate and mandatory imprisonment of not less than 10 years, with no parole for dereliction of duty and betrayal of the public trust.

Now isn't that an better incentive to do your job right, without having to strip people of the means of protecting themselves against your failures to regulate and enforce existing laws?

This is truly incredible, but perhaps predictable. The administration and the appointed EPA administrator Johnson have shown no interest in protecting the public health. The EPA has ignored the public health, and proposed keeping particulate standards at current levels rather than reducing to improve the health of Americans. Better to keep the money flowing out of the pockets of the public for over the counter medications, physicians, hospitals, health plans, insurance, and taxes for those that don't have insurance but require treatment, and into corporations that can fund campaigns of coucilmembers, mayors, and ... how about that, could be presidents. Just keep the public unaware of the toxic, hazardous and poisonous elements and compounds that industrial point sources pump into the air and your future is assured.

Unfortunately, those pesky researchers and public health groups like the American Lung Association, American Heart Association, American Thoracic Society, American Pediatiatrics Association, World Health Organization, etc. continue to identify the true toxic terrorists that cause hundreds of thousands of premature deaths in the US, and millions around the world. Spitzer in testimony to congress testified that particulates, pollutants from industrial point sources allowed by EPA ignoring new source review would cause the premature deaths of more New Yorkers every year than did 9/11 in that one event.

Monitors in the control of the police or homeland security, great idea ... we see they did a great job of analyzing and warning residents and workers of the toxics that were in the air around the WTC. Honest data of the air on the ground would have resulted in personal protection of thousands that are now afflicted, or healthy now will realize the consequences later. That's right, homeland security, the EPA, and the mayor's office neglected to tell the responders and remediators about those unmeasured toxics--so, the police and the fire departments should have monitors to get honest information they can use themselves.

Monitors located by the EPA are not sited to reflect the contribution of any industrial point source, or the toxics of any particular residential area; they are sited to give regional data. Virtually all studies have shown that the real exposure of residents is far above those regional values. Very inconvenient, better to take those monitors out of circulation and only let the police control them. Good, honest information is considered a weapon by Homeland Security and their stooges, truly incredible ... but, predictable.

The best monitors are humans. The nose, thorax, lungs are very sensitive instruments, monitors of toxic, hazardous and poisonous materials in the air. The body's defense mechanisms do as good a job as possible while the particulates and gases assault human systems to do their damage on adults, children, elders, and those to be born. There is no safe level of particulates less than 2.5 microns, there is no safe level of lead, mercury, magnesium, cadmium, arsenic, etc., there is no safe level of ozone. These elements and compounds, waste products from coal and crude oil combustion ejected into the public airshed will damage downwind human lungs, hearts, and brains.

Human systems try to stop the particulates entering. You can see the effects of these particulates and gases on your family and neighbors on occassion. Some sneeze or cought to rid their systems, some suffer more heavily when toxic plumes and clouds enter their space. The nose is a monitor in itself, larger particles get stuck causing congestion, then are very often removed manually, and smaller material caught deeper is moved up the mucilatory elevator and ejected (to tissue, not out car windows onto the street of course).

So the nose is the monitor, and anyone caught picking some data out, even while in the privacy of their car, would be subject to police apprehension for an unregistered monitor of air pollution. Do not eject or extract the toxins before absorbing, don't clear the nose and be caught holding. How very appropriate that homeland security suggests that NYPD get that duty. The title of the units and management of monitor enforcement are open for public suggestions.

Seldom reported, emergency room doctors say that is one of the saddest events when children are dead on arrival due to an asthmatic attack following exposure to levels of particulates or ozone that are never shown by annual or daily averages. The lungs most sensitive parts are more accurate monitors of personal exposure than a fixed position monitor in the hands of the police. But then the lungs, personal monitors of our exposure, might be illegal to have.

It's not just children and elders that are affected by pollutants, the average reduction of life, premature death is 14 years earlier as researchers factor out all the other confounders. Just went to funerals of a 47 year old father of 6, and a 50 year old father of 2, neither smokers, neither worked in dusty environments, they were just in the path of plumes from industrial point sources. The toxic effect of particulates on the heart has been shown in many segments of the population; a significant study was done with highway patrolmen. So the heart also shows the effects of pollutants, another possible illegal monitor. Those highway patrolmen should be warned not be be in the presence of NYPD, but there might be some dispute when they are approached for monitor confiscation.

Brains are monitors as well. The toxic effect of lead, mercury and manganese on the brain and mind have been well documented. Granted, researchers have used data from monitors that showed levels of pollutants. If homeland security and their accomplices would have been around in the late 70's and early 80's we might still have lead in gasoline, and all the US refiners wouldn't have gone out of business as they claimed they would if lead was taken out of gasoline. What record profits?

The skin is also a monitor of toxics. Arsenic, chromium, fluorine poisoning mainfest on the skin. Toxic element poisoning is cumulative, so even if pollution levels are not increasing, bodies are accumulating ever higher levels of toxics from industrial point sources. Eczema and skin afflictions appear to be on the increase as toxic loads accumulate in the body--just coincidence perhaps.

But, can't be too loose with these laws, better legislate against public holding any of these monitors. It will be interesting to see how they write noses, lungs, hearts, brains, and other affected body parts that are personal and individual monitors and evidence of the effects of pollutants into the law.