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Watching the V.P. Debate with Young, Black, Palin-Proud Republicans

Watching the chronic winker with her outnumbered, seemingly unlikely supporters

The young black Republicans had arranged, at the Voice's request, to meet at SideBar near Union Square to watch the vice-presidential debate last week, but there was a problem.

"They're having some sort of Obama party here," said James Davermann, a financial analyst for Bloomberg. Actually, it looked like several different Obama parties had showed up and were now clustered around different televisions. Davermann and his friends were going to be seriously outnumbered.

As if to emphasize how isolated they were, a tall, blond man said, as he passed by: "I'm a registered Republican, but I'm voting for Obama."

"This is some sort of Obama love-fest," said Shakera Jones, 26, who works at NYU. At the door, she'd been asked which group she was with—Asian-Americans for Obama, South Asians for Obama, or Filipinos for Obama. When the rest of the young conservatives had showed up, they decided to ditch the Obama orgy and headed for Galaxy Bar across the street.

At a table in the back of the bar, the young Republicans introduced themselves. Some were acquainted only through Republican Facebook groups or had met online at HiphopRepublican.com. A self-professed conservative since the age of 18, Davermann said that his outspoken views have forced his family to ban all politics talk at the dinner table. "My family is all extremely liberal," he said. "I went to college and studied economics and the free-market system—limited government intervention. My views began to change. My family embraced the Democratic philosophy because when you are black, it's expected. It keeps people in a state of dependency."

"OK, so do you all support McCain?" asked Brandon Brice, 25, a junior economist. "I need to know who I'm sitting with." One by one, they each explained why they were voting for the Arizona senator. "I support McCain for three reasons," said Davermann. "His stance on foreign policy, he's a moderate Republican, and his views on immigration."

"I have an issue with his willingness to engage us in more warfare," said Jones.

At that point, the group decided to move closer to the television, whose sound was too low to be heard from the back. The room had filled up for the debate, and the crowd was mostly white and Democratic: When Senator Joe Biden was introduced, the place broke into applause.

"Oh, God. Sarah, don't lose this for us," said a worried-sounding Jones.

Palin soon responded to her first question, about the Wall Street bailout: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

Brice pumped his fist in agreement, drawing some stares from the crowd. "That's right—put it out there!"

"She's awesome," said Davermann. "They finally let her off the leash. If she can follow Biden up on his points, it's a wrap."

Soon, Davermann and Brice were grinning broadly at Palin's folksy responses. Jones was feverishly texting friends, who were also watching.

"Biden's doing a great job of not answering questions," said Davermann. As the Delaware senator described new initiatives, Jones asked no one in particular: "How are you going to pay for everything?"

After Biden said that he supported gay civil unions but not gay marriage, Palin said: "Your question . . . was whether he supported gay marriage, and my answer is the same as his—and it is that I do not." Jones commented: "It's mighty bold of her to take that stand."

By now, some in the crowd were turning to see how the four black conservatives would respond to each of Palin's statements. One Asian woman, however, wasn't enjoying the show—she was repeatedly being brushed by Brice whenever he raised his hands to clap at Palin's remarks.

"Stop pushing me," she said to him.

"I'm sorry," he replied. "I'm not doing it on purpose."

"Oh, please," Jones interjected. "It is not that serious."

"I know," the Asian woman responded, appearing to be more concerned about being brushed by a Republican than by the collisions themselves.

"Where's the 'Kumbaya'?" asked Jones.

Biden, meanwhile, was saying that he and Barack Obama had a clear plan to shift responsibility for the Iraq War to the Iraqis themselves over the next 16 months. But Jones was skeptical: "What war have we ever announced an end to?" she asked. "Not even in Vietnam."

When Palin called the Democratic plan a "flag of surrender," Davermann clapped loudly.

A man walking by, meanwhile, asked: "Is Biden stomping all over her?"

"No, not at all. It's pretty close," Davermann offered.

After the debate ended, the group headed back to their table to talk over Palin's performance.

"She wasn't a train wreck," said a surprised-sounding Jones. "All she had to do was not mess up. There is still stuff she should know." But Jones was clearly still mystified by Palin's performance in the Couric interview: "How can she not name magazines she reads?"

"I support her because she is a different type of Republican," said Brice. "This party is going to die if we don't change or adopt a new outlook."

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  • wise man on the mountain 10/14/2008 11:46:00 PM

    wow just wow! do i feel sorry for you young republicans, if you haven't noticed the republican philosophy of no regulation in the market produced the default credit swap an engineered fianancial instrument by MIT math majors.\ basically a zero sum fianancial fission bomb. 9 amercan banks NATIONALIZED by the REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU PARTY DESTROYED AMERICA YOU DUMB FUCKS boy are you guys dumb to by all that rah rah flag waving line of horseshit. did you even go to actual school where you learned to THINK for YOURSELF. you have the minds of imbecile CHILDREN. mccain come on be serious he is UNEDUCATED palin UNEDUCATED. at least OBAMA stayed in school to the point he is a LAW PROFESSOR he has the CHOPS he is DOCTOR of LAW. not a beer baronesses dumb political jock from a military family good god grow some grey matter. and you have got to be kidding the SPOKES MODEL?? who is going to be under federal investigation and inditement for her illegal actiivties in alaska as part of the republican mafia up there??? HA!!! I actually used to RESPECT the republican brand but after ragean you all went wacko with imaginary economics and business plans that were complete voo doo. and the horse shit with iraq is completely insane. its almost as if a group of drunken teenagers from the 1930's took over the republican party you know before tv was invented and in wide use as a mass medium not to mention the damn internet. from a strictly fianancial prespective i can see your point of view but that was a 1950's view point before default credit swaps destroyed your business model

  • politixpoet 10/14/2008 10:42:00 AM

    Alaska has found power was hers to abuse, But Palin insists it was all misconstrued. I'm so tired of her lies, and her "Drill Baby!" cries, Can't wait 'til November 5 when she is just old news.

  • Kim 10/14/2008 8:18:00 AM

    I do not understand how intelligent, education people feel that Sarah Palin is competent for the job of Vice President (or heaven help us, president). Can't they see beyond the pretty face, nice clothes and mumble jumble that she says? The Obama's are Harvard Law School graduates, have spent many years working on social programs, he has been a Constitutional Law professor for 12 years,served for 8 years as a state senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, served on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees while in the Senate and Michelle has worked in a prestigious law firm that she gave up to work for the betterment of her inner city community. Palin's creditials?... local weather girl, four years on the city council, 6 years as mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people and governor for about 20 months of a state with only 650,00 people, and, has already been involved in a major investigation. Seems like it would be a no-brainer who we would want to run our country.

  • Chaz 10/14/2008 5:47:00 AM

    I can understand why one might initially consider voting for McCain. As a Black Republican, since 1980, I like McCain in 2000. Back then he was a moderate and more of a maverick, on the correct side of my issues (civil right, women's rights, financial market regulation). However, in his quest to become president, he has sold his soul to the right. At that point he started the path of losing my vote. He completed the process when he picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. Clearly this was a cynical move to get the "angry Hillary women" and play to the right. If he wanted to select a woman, threr were clearly more qualified women ( Sen. Dole and Hutchinson come to mind). His choice is the worse choice since the imbecilic Dan Quayle or the corrupt Spiro Agnew. If McCain should win, LET US ALL PRAY FOR FOUR HEALTHY YEARS!. Regarding the debate, we got a good idea of Palin's personality, and her respect for the rules, when she announced that she would not answer questions - but speak directly to the American people. If she would not abide by the rule her team agree to, what will she do when required to follow the laws of the US (does it suprise anyone that push the envelope on Alaska personel rules). Also, being able to speak in coherently, at times, and falling on your face does not qualify you to be president. I want my president to be among the smartest in the room. Ans Sarah Pilin does not meet that standard. McClain's choice of Palin terminated any reason to vote for him

  • Ryan D. Davis 10/14/2008 12:05:00 AM

    It does not take courage to be a Black Republican some of the most revered Americans were Black Republicans; Frederick Douglass, Mary Mcleod Bethune (before 1932) and so on. I so tire of hearing how courageous you have to be to be a Black Republican. I personally believe that you have to be somewhat deluded to be Black and a part of either major political party. Remember Booker T. Washington said "We have no premanent friends or permanent enemies only permanent interest." That, I believe applies to all citizen constituencies

  • Ryan D. Davis 10/13/2008 11:56:00 PM

    DISCLAIMER: I'm a member of the Greeen Party and I fully support Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente for president and vice-president The Jones girl wants to sterlize women on welfare because she wants "some say" in how they spend their $400/ month checks. . . Did I miss her suggestion that we be able to review the bank statements of executives who stand to benfit from the massive bailout OR that we get to decide the fertilization methods (less groundwater poison perhps) of corporate farmers who regularly receive subsidies (cash and otherwise) from the government. You see this is why Black conservatives have such a hard time. The people who represent them publicly (Alan Keyes etc.)talk like they hate being Black OR that they associate Blackness with standardlessness, amorality and lack of enterprise. The "big-tent" looks very very unwelcoming. And as long as I lived in Obama's senatorial district in IL (miss "I'm from Chicago") and I did for 6 years, he worked with community organizations to make sure that working poor and Black people in particular were not displaced by gentrification. READ: you don't know what you're talking about.

  • Nilaja 10/13/2008 11:00:00 PM

    It always amazes me how fast people are to to tell other people what to do or not to do with their bodies. It also amazes me how quick people are to draw conclusions and generalize about the poor. And what further amazes me is that the people who make these statements lead such insular lives that the only comments they should be making are those that are inclusive of the small, small, small worlds they live in.

  • Janet 10/13/2008 7:35:00 AM

    Great ending, with the Sarah Palin family values, for, as Tina Fey said so well, she IS for the sanctity of marriage for reluctant teenagers, not for gays. Or maybe they liked that she hid her pregnancy?

  • Trish 10/12/2008 7:58:00 PM

    ted in pdx, you forgot the BLACKWATER gang. Shakera, what are your feelings about Palin's religious views? She's a lifelong member of a church that teaches that we're in the "Last Days". Have you investigated this religion and do you realize the implication of having someone with these beliefs so close to the Presidency? Do a Web search for "Palin's Apocalypse" and see the danger.

  • chsmith 10/11/2008 6:18:00 AM

    Calling for the forced sterilization of women is an utterly revolting idea and the output of a depraved mind. You should be ashamed.

  • Ren 10/11/2008 3:31:00 AM

    The people in this story are deluded. Do they really believe they matter to Republicans? Blacks, gays, female Republicans are tools. They have no serious voice in the party. To the woman bashing welfare moms: Palin is the governor of a welfare state. Anyone in the lower 48 states and Hawaii who is on welfare needs to move to Alaska, breed and collect a check with the rest of Alaska population. The Republican party is a joke at this point. They did it to themselves. They are a party of corporate welfare. A free market Republican half-wit, who is currently president, socialized the financial sector. They claim they are a "less government" party but feel the government needs to dictate things like choice, faith and marriage for it's citizens. Republicans need to revamp and take the party back from right-wing religious zealots.

  • kaya 10/10/2008 12:27:00 AM

    shakera - the article doesn't make you seem gullible and naive, but it does make you seem remarkably under-educated, specifically when it comes to gender issues. the idea that you would support forced sterilization of women living in poverty is not naive, it's cruel and dangerous. it doesn't seem like a stretch for the author to assume you love sarah palin, who has also promoted policies dangerous to women (like the whole charging women for rape kits thing). i also find it odd that your attempt to prove you are politically astute comes in the form of naming other republican women mccain could have chosen, while completely failing to engage with the question of why he chose a woman in the first place. it's not the democratic philosophy that's "keeping people in a state of dependency," it's the refusal to think critically about EITHER party. you're not helping anyone by simply choosing a different philosophy to follow blindly.

  • Carrie NY 10/09/2008 11:17:00 PM

    While I applaud the courage of these young black Republicans, I'm disappointed in their unquestioning allegiance to the GOP platform of small government and fiscal discipline. I am almost a single-issue voter on such things, and I have degrees in economics, law, tax and a CPA certification. The GOP is less conservative than the Dems on this since Reagan. Close the deficit, reduce the debt. That is true conservatisim. They are more naive than they think, and their degrees in economics must not be worth much.

  • Ryan 10/09/2008 1:52:00 AM

    After spending an evening with Black conservatives, I'd need a long, hot shower -- preferably, ironically enough, with Sarah and/or Bristol Palin. RL

  • ted in pdx 10/09/2008 12:39:00 AM

    Does Gang Violence Qualify as Terrorism? Gov. Palin has been warning us of the danger of electing a President who "Pals around with terrorists..." I would ask Gov. Palin how she feels about the military recruiting policies which John McCain has actively supported since 2003, and who her son may be forced to pal around with as a consequence. She might want to consider the experience of another Mom with a son in our military, Stephanie Cockrell, as reported by CBS News: (CBS) U.S. Army Sgt. Juwan Johnson got a hero's welcome while home on leave in June of 2004. "Not only did I love my son - but my god - I liked the man he was becoming," his mother, Stephanie Cockrell, remembers. But that trip home was the last time his family saw him alive. When Johnson died, he wasn't in a war zone, he was in Germany. "He had finished his term in Iraq," his mother said. "I talked to him the day before his death. He said, 'Mom, I'm in the process of discharging out. I'll be out in two weeks'." On July 3, 2005, Sgt. Johnson went to a park not far from his base in Germany to be initiated into the 'Gangster Disciples,' a notorious Chicago-based street gang. He was beaten by eight other soldiers in a "jump-in" - an initiation rite common to many gangs. "My son never spoke of joining a gang," Cockrell told CBS News correspondent Thalia Assuras. Johnson died that night from his injuries. His son, Juwan Jr., was born five months later. (link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/28/eveningnews/main3107316.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3107316) Since 2003, the military has granted 'moral waivers' to over 125,000 enlistees. Those waivers have been, in most cases, for serious criminal activity, including significant numbers of convicted felons, many of them gang members. The FBI conducted an investigation into this subject, and here are highlights from it's report: -- Gang-related activity in the US military is increasing and poses a threat to law enforcement officials and national security. Members of nearly every major street gang have been identified on both domestic and international military installations. -- Some gang members may also enlist to receive weapons, combat, and convoy support training; to obtain access to weapons and explosives; or as an alternative to incarceration. Such military training could ultimately result in more organized, sophisticated, and deadly gangs, as well as an increase in deadly assaults on law enforcement officers. -- Gang incidents involving active-duty personnel on or near US military bases nationwide include drive-by shootings, assaults, robberies, drug distribution, weapons violations, domestic disturbances, vandalism, extortion, and money laundering. (http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/ngic_gangs.pdf) As I read this body of facts, I wonder about the scope of the damage which has been done to this country since 9/11 by our own ill-considered initiative in Iraq. If the larger goal was to deter terrorism, why are we providing combat training to thousands of gang members, and providing them access to our most sophisticated weaponry? Even more insidious, for any ordinary American contemplating enlisting in the military, the prospect of serving with comrades in arms who are also Crips, Bloods, or members of the 'Gangster Disciples' would, in my opinion, be reason enough to opt out, regardless of any other incentives there might be. If Gov. Palin insists on continuing to warn us away from Senator Obama because of his casual association with Mr. Ayers, I think she owes us an explanation as to why we should support a candidate who's policies over the last 5 years have materially increased the potency of domestic gangs to terrorize neighborhoods all over this country.

  • Charlotte 10/08/2008 9:01:00 PM

    It's a damn shame . . . can't imagine why ANYONE with eyes or any sense at all would think for ONE minute that the Republican party is for them. Didn't you check the camera pans at the convention . . . did you see yourself represented there? No, they showed as many colorful faces as they could and even doing so, it was so obvious . . . I guess you handful of oreo cookies think that the rest of not even Black, but people of color PERIOD in America are missing something that only you can see, probably through your BLUE CONTACTS!

  • Patrick 10/08/2008 8:51:00 PM

    Sorry Shakera, but you put it out there. I think the author's intent is to show how naive you are, and she succeeded. The McCain-Palin ticket is a disaster and would be a disaster for America. It's funny how you would complain about single mothers on welfare getting a pittance of your tax dollars, but then have nothing to say about Hallibrton getting your tax dollars or AIG getting your tax dollars and spending them on boondoggles. I pray that you someday, wake up. Single mothers are not bankrupting our government, the Republicans are.

  • Shakera 10/08/2008 7:49:00 PM

    i would like to clarify a few things: #1 Not all of us are "Palin-lovers", I repeatedly stated that there was a long list of very VERY qualified Republican women he could have chosen, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, being one. #2 The article makes us seem very gulliable and naive which were are not, all of us are very knowledgebale on government and economics and I do not think that was clearly represented.

  • Pamela 10/08/2008 1:58:00 PM

    GO SARAH!!!!! YOU GO GIRL http://womenforsarahpalin.typepad.com/ http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/ http://www.womenforsarahpalin.net/

  • Andrew 10/08/2008 7:10:00 AM

    Boo @ Palin..vote her down at http://www.howispalindoing.com

 

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