anyone know her stances on nuclear power? what about dealing with the incredibly toxic wastes that are the byproduct of producing nuclear energy?
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The mercury in one bulb, for example, is enough to contaminate up to 6,000 gallons of water beyond safe drinking levels, she wrote in one press release.
After we learned about Dan Perkinss experience when just one bulb shattered in his home, we couldnt help being hit with a stunning thought. . . .
Could Michele Bachmann be right?
Experts dismiss Bachmanns more florid predictions of the ecological doom threatened by twisty lightbulbs. But she isnt wrong that the disposal of CFLs poses a real problem.
If you throw away a compact fluorescent bulb, the mercury inside inevitably ends up in a landfill or an incinerator, polluting the environment. The bulbs can be recycled and safely disposed of, but with just four months until the first wave of efficiency standards is set to go into effect, there still isnt much in the way of infrastructure and education to make sure that happens.
A few large retailers, including Home Depot and Ikea, have instituted their own recycling programs, and some states, such as Maine, are pioneering recycling and customer-education programs. But in much of the country, theres no systematic plan for disposing of the increasing number of compact fluorescents in circulation. Here in New York, there are no special plans to manage the safe disposal of CFLs.
In fact, the Environmental Protection Agency estimates that just 2 percent of compact fluorescents are currently recycled.
Energy-efficiency activists say the net environmental impact of the bulbs is still positive. Just looking at the mercury emissions, even if every CFL wound up broken in a landfill, by replacing traditional incandescents with CFLs, we still come out ahead.
You can look at the toxicology globally or locally, says Russ Leslie, associate director of the Lighting Research Center at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. Globally, because of the avoided power generation, which puts mercury into the atmosphere, youre better off even if the mercury in the bulbs is not disposed of properly. Nonetheless, locally, if its in your house, that understandably bothers some people.
Persuading nervous home owners of the importance of the global over the local isnt always easy.
It can be a hard argument to explain to people, because theyre just looking at the mercury in their home, says Laura Haight, a senior environmental associate at New York Public Interest Research Group.
You dont want to downplay the risks, but its a matter of triage when youre working in the environmental movementyou have to work your way down the list of hazards.
Everyone from the lightbulb-manufacturing industry to the Environmental Protection Agency is working to reassure everyone that a broken CFL is hardly a major toxic event.
The amount of mercury in a CFL is like the very tip of a ballpoint penfar less than what you find in other household items like batteries, thermometers, and thermostats, says Joseph Higbee, a spokesman for the National Electrical Manufacturers Association, a trade group that represents lightbulb manufacturers. It may be that the presence of mercury in CFLs will matter to some consumers, but theres a wide range of choices out there. It used to be that lightbulbs were more or less the same; they were just a commodity. With the new technologies, consumers need to educate themselves.
Still, consumers trying to educate themselves about the risks of CFLs can be forgiven if they feel that theyre getting mixed messages. Even as manufacturers and the federal government urge everyone not to freak out over broken CFLs, many of the safety guidelines available onlinelike the Connecticut site Perkins founddo little to calm nervous parents.
CFLs have been on the market in one form or another for decades, but concern about the toxic implications of broken bulbs for home owners didnt really ratchet up until 2007, after an incident in Prospect, Maine.
A woman there was cleaning a compact fluorescent bulb in her childs bedroom when she dropped it, shattering it over a carpet and a metal vent connecting the second and third floor. She swept up the shards of the bulb but was still worried about the mercury that might have been released, so she called the state department of environmental protection.
The Maine DEP didnt really know what to tell her: There wasnt much science on what happens when a CFL breaks. So, two days later, the department sent an employee to her house to measure the remaining mercury vapor.
The readings were mostly reassuring. Although there were still elevated mercury readings around where the bulb broke, it was all well below the 300-nanograms-per-cubic-meter threshold considered safe.
The carpet was a different story: In the area immediately above where the bulb broke, the instrument measured 1,939 nanograms per cubic meter. The woman called a private cleanup specialist, who told her it would cost $2,000 to remove the remaining mercury.
The story made national headlines and prompted Maine to institute a mandatory CFL recycling program. Further studies suggested that although much of the mercury in a CFL adheres to the broken glass and can be swept away, as much as 40 percent of it escapes as vapor into the air or soaks into fabrics and permeable surfaces, seeping back out into the air slowly over time.
anyone know her stances on nuclear power? what about dealing with the incredibly toxic wastes that are the byproduct of producing nuclear energy?
I think the real problem was the government got way out in front of promoting CFL's but didn't require any adequate labeling about the treatment of disposal and breakage (the breakage part was likely a delibrate choice - if I had read the EPA's primer on CFL's before buying they would have been put back on the store shelf). I broke one in my garage while changing the bulb, had no idea and did everything wrong. Probably breathed it all in, made dust, shook it into the garbage can, not a sealed ziploc and the garbage man probably was exposed too. Looked up the mercury factor long after the incident. There should be a recycling plan in all 50 states, these things should not wind up in the landfills...because I'm sure we're going to find out 50 years from now that it's a bigger deal than we though, like oil tanks in the ground.
I hate CFL's. I don't like the light they cast, they do give me a headache after long exposure, and they don't "light up" right away in colder climates, they're dim and take many minutes sometimes to warm up and shine fully. If you keep your heat at 65 during the winter (to save energy!) good luck with the CFL's. I really hope the LEDs are superior...because if they're not I'll be stockpiling the incandescents.
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I had 2 of these bulbs start smoking and one melted the socket before i could get to the switch to turn it off. Help me save energy???...sure it will...I will be saving lots of energy when I am sleeping in a tent in the backyard when my house burns down.
No thanks ....I'll be stock up on incandescent bulbs.
"Further studies suggested that although much of the mercury in a CFL adheres to the broken glass and can be swept away, as much as 40 percent of it escapes as vapor into the air or soaks into fabrics and permeable surfaces, seeping back out into the air slowly over time."
What studies? I suggest you contact the Lawrence Berkeley Lab Lighting Science Group for the studies they have completed on CFLs. Some key findings:1) the amount of mercury in a CFL is the same as a bite of tuna (or other high level fish);2) the amount of vaporized mercury is miniscule and decreases over time as mercury is absorbed into the phosphor coating on the inside of the glass;3) more mercury, far more, is produced by coal-fired power plants than by CFLs AND the mercury from coal-fired plants is released into the air (which settles on the land and the oceans, hence the mercury in high level fish); and4) we are tapped out on creating more power and IF we had more power generation, our aging electrical grid cannot carry more power to consumers (see S CA blackout for an example).
Energy conservation is the future. Using a 100 year old technology, incandescent lamps, that uses 90% of the energy consumed to produce heat is absurd.
The incandescent lamp is becoming more efficient. 100 watt incandescents are being replaced with 71 watt incandescents, light output and color of light is the same.
CFLs and LEDs are not the only choices should you want to replace incandescents and save energy and increase bulb life up to 50 times. A good lighting store or lighting designer can offer a range of choices specific to your use.
I agree that CFLs are a poor choice in a children's room table lamp. I also know that a table lamp is a poor choice for a childs room. Use ceiling or wall mounted (hard wire, no cords to grab) fixtures that are out of reach and difficult to break for children's rooms. This is the ounce of prevention approach.
What is a good CFL? Try the reveal by GE for exceptional color BUT use a higher wattage equivalent than recommended. Replace a 60 watt incandescent with a 20 watt CFL, not a 13 watt or 15 watt.Do not enclose CFLs unless the CFL is high temperature rated (heat kills many CFLs).Use CFLs where they are on for more than 15 minutes at a time.Use dimming CFLs with CFL dimmers (now readily available) for best performance.Avoid most reflector CFLs. They do not perform as well as R (reflector) or PAR lamps (again, a lighting showroom or lighting designer can help with the right bulb or tube).Try to see a 930 or 950 fluorescent in a showroom next to an 830 or 850 fluorescent, you will be amazed.LEDs are a technology product. LEDs use some of the same parts and manufacturing equipment as the many electronic devices all of us depend on. The best products (see the Philips Endura lamp or the Sylvania Ultra series for examples) produce light very close to the light produced by incandescent bulbs.
Yes, I am a lighting designer and teacher.
I've read so much unintelligible hyperbole about the dangers of these bulbs.
1) You claim they contain up to 30 mg of Hg. There hasn't been a bulb made in the last decade that has nearly that much, certainly for home use. You are off by roughly a factor of ten.
2) The same woman who freaked when she broke a bulb in her kids room didn't have a problem using a mercury filled thermometer in a far more sensitive part of her kid. And I'm sure the mercury in her fillings aren't anywhere near as much of a concern to her as the mercury in the lamp.
3) This issue has nothing to do with either science, energy management or health concerns, it is about being anti-government. Anything that the government does is wrong with these people, which is why of course they spend their entire lives being a part of government...
4) The only major difference between CFL and the bulbs that have lighted up almost every store and office for the last 50 years is the "C". You would think that offices and factories, stores and hospitals would have abandoned fluorescent decades ago if they were so deleterious to your health.
5) I've had the chance to play with some of the newest LEDs from Cree and Seoul semiconductor, and they are insanely bright but they are no more efficient than CFLs. (Note, I don't mean LED light bulbs, I mean the actual LEDs themselves- I'm an electronic engineer working in energy management and lighting control.) It is possible that in the near future LED will become more efficient, but not by very much. LEDs can not produce white light easily, they produce blue light by exciting phosphors which is for all practical purposes EXACTLY the same way a fluorescent bulbs does it, but instead of a doing it in a partial vacuum it does it on an embedded substrate. These LEDs produce a lot of heat, which is why the lamp used in the photo looks like an armored flashlight. They are covered with heat sinks to shed the waste heat. This will make them harder to drop in price than you'd imagine...
Next time you write about this issue, please consult some engineers who actually work in the industry, and get your data correct. And don't look to politicians for facts, especially those who have such a tendency to distort. I can't say this puts the Voice in a positive light.
Many of us work in office buildings. Look up. If you are still reading this you didn't run screaming for the door. CFL is not the total solution but its a viable one untill LED for home use becomes more affordable.
Sounds like one big over reaction to me. Anybody would think the bulbs had something as toxic as Polonium 210 in them. I have accidentaliy broken a few and cleaned up without any silly worries. I also have a mouth full of amalgam fillings, which haven't as yet made me as mad as a hatter. Some Americans should stop being so Neurotic.
If the company(ies) involved in producing these light bulbs, didn't rush into production, perhaps, they might have improved them before mass producing and shipping them out. But alas, profits come before safety. Just imagine if some people who want smaller government, actually got their way! We would surely be bombarded with more and more unsafe items in the market place. Imagine no regulations at all? No, that would be total disaster to us humans and the environment. We do enough damage to the environment with the regulations we do have in place. Let's not go backwards and eliminate the OSHA (Occupational, Safety, Hazardous Agency). Companies who fast forward their products into the market place without good research should be responsible for any cleanup and or health problems associated with their products.
How can they be safe and dangerous at the same time. I questioned this when they first came out. Its great to have one last so long, but if it breaks youre in the twilight zone.
After reading the article about the CFL bulbs, now I'm concerned about the safety and long term health of the people who are in direct contact with the manufacturing of those bulbs. Are there any studies out there following their health status?
At the moment we could all use less electricity, unplug appliances we are not using all the time such as the printer, toaster, toaster oven, toothbrushes, etc.. It's is ok to let those appliances be off the grid.
So – I think it is time to serve notice on God and Mother Nature that they are going to have to remove all of the Mercury, Lead, Asbestos, Arsenic and all of the other harmful materials that are buried in the Earth and dispose of it according to EPA Standards. God and Mother Nature should be forced cap all of these Volcanoes to end the harmful emission that they emit on a daily basis. Just the CO2 emissions alone violate far worse in one day than all of the coal burning plants have generated their entire existence in operation.
The legislation does not ban incandescent light bulbs, it just says they must be a a certain standard. If the companies spent a pittance of the profits they make to get to that standard then nobody would be using the mercury based bulbs.
When we eliminated all regulations for the banks we caused the bank meltdown that has put us into this economic crisis. If we close the EPA and stop regulating that will cause an environmental meltdown that will last for centuries.
It seems that good ole American ingenuity should come up with a better answer to the light bulb. We need one that is energy efficient and NOT hazardous to your health and the environment - surely that can be accomplished without too much trouble - or has all the ingenuity been outsourced too?
I have a suggestion. Someone take a case of CFLs into the offices of the Village Voice and begin tossing them against walls and against the floor, breaking them. Let's see how the Village Voice responds to this hazmat incident, and then let the author of this stupid article re-think his position. Know-nothing cussedness of Republicans? You stupid douchebag.
Oh, one other thing. 100% of CFLs are made in China. So this is an attack on American workers, American jobs, American wealth, in addition to being a direct attack on American health.
These people, I reiterate, are SCUM!
When one of these breaks in MY house and I get a $2,000 bill for cleanup, I'll send that bill to the Federal EPA--and WILL expect them to pay it, 100% of it.
So environmental activists now are given the right by our supposed elected officials to force ALL Americans to buy a certain product that contains a known highly toxic substance. These people are committing economic terrorism and should be taken out back and shot. Who in the HELL gave them the right to do ANYTHING like this? Who ARE these people? What are their NAMES? We are calling them OUT! NOW! We want their names and who they work for.
The ONLY environment that matters to me is MINE--the one I pay for--my home. Who ARE these people that they can ORDER us to bring highly toxic substances into our homes? And have to pay a LOT more money for the privilege.
These environmentalists are scum, pure human scum. They admit to making global calculations with our homes and our children at the bottom of the pyramid. This is so wrong it defies rational thought.
REPEAL THIS STUPID REGULATION and DISBAND the EPA. Someone, finally, must begin doing the RIGHT THING for this country.
Seems like it's a "follow the $$$" situation again. LEDs should have primary alternative long, long ago.
There hasn't been mercury in thermometers for human temperature detection in years either...so your rant about sticking one in another part of her kid is just silly.
Yep FL bulbs do light up public spaces...and we all hate that lighting.
I think you're wrong, it's not about being anti-government....but the CFL's should be labeled sufficiently. And give people a clue.
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wow...three RANTS from the same person...someone's angry. LOL
and i AGREE with this author about the "know-nothing cussedness"...michele bachmann is the same woman who claims climate change is a myth. perhaps you feel the same way...? care about your OWN environment...but when your kids and grandkids and greatgrandkids are inhaling toxic fumes...a loss of valuable wildlife and rainforest...they'll have YOU to thank for it (they can use this last post of yours as a reference)...
When I was a child, I had many cavities in my teeth. The dentist used mercury mixed with a bonding agent to fill my teeth. Then he would give me pure mercury to play with. It was great fun rolling this dime sized blob of mercury around in the palm of my hand. I am quite certain that, one way or another, I have been exposed in childhood to way more mercury than could be found in a truckload of CFL bulbs. I have suffered no harm as a result. This hysteria over lightbulbs is totally unnecessary.
Sounds like you've inhaled a little too much mercury already, Chris. Or maybe just watch way too much Fox News!