The Tranny Chaser Chaser

Gay guys who like straight guys who like guys dressed as girls

I’m no stranger to the walk of shame, but this is the first morning I’ve ridden the R train into Manhattan with metallic blue eye shadow smeared across the upper third of my face like a sloppy Warhol silkscreen. I’ve spent the prior evening at a bacchanal called Eden Underground: a sex party for transsexuals and their admirers in Park Slope that just rang in its one-year anniversary. What brought me to the polymorphously perverse bi-monthly Friday night was a search for gender identity’s Yeti: gay men attracted to the straight men who are attracted to transsexuals—the tranny chaser chaser.

At the party, plenty of hot, blue-collar trade search for transsexuals. Those gay men who cross-dress solely to chase these guys are called everything from “deceitful” to “blackface,” but “midlife crisis” probably comes closest. They are going after what they can’t have—dressed as men, anyway. Sweetie, Eden’s large-and-in-charge mistress of ceremonies, sums it up as cruising for men they “could never get wearing a pair of jeans on a Saturday night.”

José Muñoz, an NYU-based academic who writes extensively on gender, asks, “So they’re gay men who turn to drag to get straight-acting or butch guys?” adding, “It fits into so many fantasies of the predatory homosexual out to prey on nominally straight men.” Muñoz mentions those turn-of-the-century, New York sexual superstars along the Bowery called “fairies” that George Chauncey details in Gay New York. Many heterosexual men “alternated between male and female sexual partners,” Chauncey writes, but the fairies, those willing to oblige these working-class men, “simply offered to perform certain sexual acts, especially fellation, which many straight men enjoyed but many women (even many prostitutes) were loath to perform.”

The first thing to get one’s head around is that most of the tranny chasers themselves are straight. Bruce, a 42-year-old truck driver and Eden attendee, demonstrates his macho bona fides by opening a beer bottle with his teeth. “I’m from Long Island,” he jokingly explains of his countrified ways. “We didn’t have can openers in the woods.”

Folks like Bruce make headlines when they have famous names like Eddie Murphy or (according to transgender prostitute Toni Newman) L.L. Cool J. Soccer star Cristiano Ronaldo was reportedly caught with three transgender prostitutes. Even Matt Lauer and Gavin Rossdale, Gwen Stefani’s husband, have allegedly taken walks on the wild side. Married New York GOP ex-Congressman Christopher Lee resigned after Gawker published a Craigslist ad featuring a shirtless photo of him with the headline “Sexy Classy guy for passable TS/CD – m4t – 39 (Cap Hill)”: That’s “TS,” as in transsexual; “CD,” meaning cross-dressing; and “m4t,” male-for-transsexual.

At first blush, the codified nature of the party evokes a parochial high school prom more than a sex party. In the AstroTurfed changing area just off the entrance, a sign prohibits touching without asking permission first. Not that the reminder is necessary for Eden Underground’s attendees, who prefer to engage in “mini-dates” before walking off arm-in-arm to a quiet corner to get it on.

In the front room, where most of the socializing takes place, a leggy transsexual in tight satin pleated shorts crosses the room while Lil’ Kim’s “How Many Licks?” is playing, catches a stripper’s pole with her arm, spins to the ground, and suggestively raises and lowers her high heel. A young stud bounds up from his seat and opens his shirt to display an overly tattooed torso. She nods approvingly, runs a gloved hand over his toned abs, and they wander off together.

There’s nothing overtly gay about this party: Even oral sex is sheathed in condoms, and the industrial stench of poppers is absent. Michael Wakefield, who lives upstairs and runs the space, often attends as his alter ego, Pickles. “Some of these guys are bisexual,” Wakefield says of the trans admirers, “but most are straight-identified and the straight-identified ones are definitely not part of the queer community.” Even so, “These are all chicks with dicks,” he hastens to add. “That’s what the guys are there for. If they want a girl with a vagina, they’ll get a girl.”

Elden, a straight attendee, agrees. “Pre-op transsexuals—what are there?” he rhetorically asks. “Three of them?” We’re talking outside, where I’m back in male attire (except for that eye make-up). If I were still in drag, he assures me, he’d most definitely fuck me. So why is he willing to fuck a gay man in drag, but not any of the men he identified as gay back in the party? And why do the gay guys lusting after guys like Elden get cold feet about doing what would attract this straight trade in the first place—dressing as a woman?

“Most gay guys are really drag-phobic,” Wakefield points out. “So a lot of them don’t even see it as an option. They just won’t come back. I had a friend who came to the party as a gay guy and got no action because the focus is on the trannies.”

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I have followed this article with great interest and I agree with many of the issues put across here though I disagree with few of them. I'm a straight guy who never and will never sleep (fuck) with gay but I have t-girl lover right now that we have sex always and I love her so much. There is completely far gap bewtween gay and t-girl and I can challenge anyone who want the truth to know this truth to date t-girl and will see there is nothing woman biologically born have that t-girl dont. There is no different between the two women. T-girls are soft, respect and easy to go with but remember in all human society there are bad people that does not implies to all human likewise t-girls. I love t-girls and I hate gays. Cheers to all

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Tell me where a DL guy can meet and hook up with trannies, CDs, TS..not a pay site or CL

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I am less interested/concerned by the article, written by a journalist outside the community, than the comments which I presume are from within the community.

Defining a transgendered woman (yes, lets use the correct term here) versus a CD as one who does not wear a wig is a bit narrow minded and erroneous. Do not biological women wear wigs? What about nail polish? If those in the community can not understand the difference between TG & CD, it is no wonder that the general population is confused.

Even though I am a transgendered woman, I long ago disposed of the TG definition and fully consider myself female. So to the guy who never see's TG's in the same social scenarios as "real women", I would say that we are there, it is just not that obvious, which is our intent. We do not dress like hookers or drag queens. I am there, as are many of my friends, in bars, clubs, restaurants, museums, airports, etc. We are where ever biological women are.

I echo the comment below, which is seemingly on target with respect to fully out and integrated (into society) transgendered women: "Will a decent attractive TS make a trek to Brooklyn so some trannychasers enjoy her company and give her a blowjob in the club? I don't think so. Why would a TS demean herself to that level? For lack of admirers?"

Not that I have a problem with the Eden Underground scene. I consider it an important element of the community, but most TG women I know either have never been there, or went once out of curiosity.



hippestdude
hippestdude

the parties are a good place to go if you dont wanna go to a sleazy dangerous hotel and possibly get beaten up/robbed and have no way of reporting it. Thats a big reality of it!

I am straight  and never see Trannies  OR cRossdrESSERS in the same social scenarios I do as Real women.  AND ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! so the parties are a good place

 if we are all having fun I dont see the need for Tgirls to try and charge for any sexual play when they are enjoying the fun and attention as well


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mr.put_it_down_right

im straight  but ive been to a club in the city on 39 and 8th st it was cool i didnt do anything that night but i wanted to know where can i find tranny sex parties and clubs and bars in new york new york

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clubwear

Transgender people who are undergoing or have undergone gender reassignment therapy are usually not regarded as cross-dressing. Namely, a transsexual who has completed gender reassignment surgery is certainly not considered cross-dressing, unless they were to wear clothes of the gender opposite of what they have transitioned to. Pre-operative transsexuals may be considered similarly.

Auprettyc
Auprettyc

Very interesting article I'm a transsexual and I think there are certain things need to clarify. First, a man in drag but yip can clearly see he is wearing a wig is a cross dresser. Some of them are actually gay and just want to cross dress to pick up straight guys. They cross dress as a hobby. In real life, they live as a man. No way they can cross dress and go out day in day out as a woman in the society.

The transsexual or if you want to called them trannies, they are those who don't wear wigs, they don't cross dress and you certainly dont see them with stubble. They live 24/7 as a female. Those a transsexual or nowadays, a better term, t-girl.

Guys who date or fantasise t-gals are straight. They like them because they are attractive as very feminine acting then some women. I'm not saying all but some women here. They fantasise them which doesnt necessary means that they are gay. They don't fantasise their male part. They just admire their femininity. May be because t-girls put more effort to be a woman so that some males find it is a turn on.

There's no offence to real women out there. I think some guys just find that t- gals are really attractive. They certainly look very sexy. But after all, it is just a fetish or fantasy that I guess it is hard foes one to understand. I know some guys dated women in the past, married with children but then marriage fail and go out and date t-gals. May be they are scare of going down that road again. But they can't date male as they are not attracted to hairy face, legs and arms.

Transsexualism is a very interesting subject and I think one should use an open mind to look at this subject.

Kate Bornstein
Kate Bornstein

Oh Tony, this is brilliant. I just tweeted this article with a link, and I called this piece a dizzying if problematic (well, you ARE a maker of mischief) Escher-and-Aubrey-Beardsley intersection of class, gender, and sexuality. Tony, thank you so much for showing me something completely new and different and nothing like I've ever heard before. LOVE YOU! K

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The writer is merely writing from his experience.

Unfortunately, the club Eden Underground caters to tranny chasers who would get intimate with someone who's dressed up as a girl. Admit it ladies. Most tranny chasers see us as sexual fantasies and would not openly date a tranny. Can you blame them? Society is very quick to label people "oh he's gay, etc". What would people call someone who dates a tranny? Is he gay when he loves women and transwomen?

Will a decent attractive TS make a trek to Brooklyn so some trannychasers enjoy her company and give her a blowjob in the club? I don't think so. Why would a TS demean herself to that level? For lack of admirers?

My TS friends who are escorts make sense when they tell me, "charge all those guys who just see us sexual fantasy".

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Princess
Princess

While I understand your want to write an article that had some original perspective, I feel like you did the event (and trans people) a great injustice.

It feels like you went to a movie and gave us a review on the people that sat next to you.

As a transwoman who attends the Eden parties, I must admit this article unfortunately screams of the age-old problem of "gay men" (of which it seems you are) finding a way to not place the focus on transpeople, even when the party is a TRANS event.

Perhaps an article on your own issues about transpeople would have been an interesting angle, as apposed to completely excluding the individuals that this party is ABOUT.

Your concept of the "tranny chaser chaser" is limited, at best.

I am a transwoman who puts great efforts into my body, I spend great amounts of money and time on looking soft and alluring...when I walk into Eden, the men literally horde around me and my night is filled with attention and good energy.

THIS is the point of the party!

So if you come to the party in lipstick and a brooks brothers suit or you are flawlessly smooth and flaunting it, there is a place for you...which also means, there is a place for YOU...and your article.

I only wish that you would have had more of an open heart (and mind) to take this as a chance to promote positivity for the parties true purpose and celebrate the spirit in which this event was created...for transpeople to find a place of exploration and attention that is difficult to come by sometimes.

Storm4u
Storm4u

"I have to point out that my article is not about trans people at all" quote by author."The article was about gay guys cross-dressing to nail straight guys who like cross-dressers" quote by HKGuy. I believe I attributed both to the author sorry.So clearly the author and HKGuy realise the article is nothing about trannies so why was it important to refer to misleadingly represent the article to being about trannies when it is clear it isnt?HKGuy, you call the author a straw man?I am a very public figure here and stand up to gain understanding by right wing, left wing and centre. It is understanding by all I work towards.I have 5 books to read for free on my website to learn about live as a transsexual. Also a range of articles I have written or been involved in, to foster understanding of Transsexuals.I make nothing from them and they contain some extremely personal detail.

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Jane_S
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As a trans woman, I was pleasantly surprised by the twist on the normal tropes in depictions of us... compared to everyone else in the article, real trans women were depicted as authentic, desirable, and relatively sane.

And normally its is much harder to see the machinery of cis people's construction of trans identities at work. Double yay for the visibility!

I was also surprised by the honest admission by a gay man that nominally trans friendly social scenes carry all kinds of subtext that freaks out gay men and pushes their buttons, but that also turn their crank. The normal way the mainstream gets to see the tension between trans women and gay men is during catty swipes taken by culturally prominent gay men take at trans women every so often (e.g. Fred Savage and Perez Hilton), but this article dug into the issue a little deeper, by finding some curious "perks" that trans women "enjoy" that hinge on being female-between-the-ears.

The apparent perks seem to be able to induce gay men to act against type -- gay men temporarily "putting up with" female dress and behavior and a life-time of complexes around being too girly... all for the sake of the sex.

This makes it especially interesting, when the story documents so precisely that (1) the provider of the space is a guy who dresses up for sex, (2) the organizer of the parties is a guy who dresses up for sex, (3) the two participants interviewed are guys who dress up for sex, and (4) the author who documents the scene in a major NY paper is a guy who dresses up for sex.

From what I can tell, this **entire scene** is predicated on the existence of trans women and yet none of us are actually there. Its like a secret rebel group of 8 people, 7 of who are actually under cover agents from various agencies who don't realize that without all the government spies, there wouldn't even be a rebel group to spy on. Maybe there's one real person who wouldn't even have a group if it wasn't for all the people clinging to them? The real rebels, if they exist as a group, are elsewhere.

Similarly, without the *idea* of trans women (invoked as "trannies" over and over, like a secret password) it almost sounds like this particular group of "men who have sex with men" couldn't sustain the fiction that its participants require in order to get off.

For any actual trans women reading this who are new to the game... this is basically par for the course. The bulk of depictions of trans women are by cis people, for cis people, and serve the cultural needs of cis people. They are not usually this sad or simplistic. The "psychological studies" done on us are mostly aimed at helping cis people understand their own gender. The "medical studies" are mostly not done to find the best treatment but to help cis people come to terms with *they* feel about *our* medical care (yes, let's study "SRS regret" again, that study never gets old). There are variations, but they are variations on a relatively stable theme.

When Candice Cane played a character in Dirt Sexy Money, they digitally lowered her voice so she's "sound like she was trans". When trans people were used as extras to be members of the "trans community" in A Girl Like Me, the makeup people were instructed to make the trans women look more like men, because otherwise the extras didn't look like they were trans. The picture used for this article shows a hunky guy into someone in a dress with hairy arms and legs is typical in this respect. That's not what trans girls look like, that's what cis people imagine that trans girls look like.

Learning to see and ignore cis people's funhouse mirror version of trans people is a survival skill worth cultivating. Once you've subtracted out the noise you can extract core lessons (e.g. normal men are generally OK with trans girls, and we're rarer than hen's teeth so we actually have kinda high market value) and move on and make your own life that's *not* based on cis people's desperately tragic confusions.

cd desi
cd desi

Trannies and crossdressers cant be never understood with their acts. Am same crossdress from 33 years and still loving to dress.

Sorry for bad language.

CD Desihttp://crossdresstips.blogspot...

Nick
Nick

How can you write an article about trans people (I assume that's what you mena by "trannies") that doesn't include a single trans person? All you described were cis men who are painfully insecure about their sexualities. As other commenters have said, there's nothing wrong with cross dressers or drag queens, but they are not trans people. A trans woman is a woman who happened to be born in a male body. A drag queen is a man with a male body who enjoys dressing as and performing as a woman.

Articles like these are the reason trans people are seen as little more than "crossdressers who took things too far" or "gay men who are so gay they came back around the other side and became women." You do a disservice to everyone who is actually trans, and who is struggling to simply live in a world hostile to them by equating being trans with dressing up for a kinky sex party.

Movielover
Movielover

I know a beautiful butch bartender who loves for guys to blow him, but they have to wear a wig. I can't really stoop (!) to such tactics, but it is true that a lot of macho men like hot sexy queers to play with if the queers do a female costume. This is not uncommon. It's a little weird, but not uncommon.

Storm
Storm

I really cant be bother read the second page sorry as there is just too much wrong in the first page.1- a male who dressers as a female to attract other men for sex acts is seeking a homosexual act.2- the one who dresses as a female in this scenario is not a Transsexual but a crossdresser. It is the stigma we transsexuals have to life with.3- 'Bruce' is seeking to experience a homosexual act and when doing so will classed as a homosexual not a hetrosexual.Cross dresses are fine and I have friends who but they understand that they arent transsexuals. They live 85% of thier lives as men, They enjoy using their penis. MtF transsexuals life as the woman they are and had the penis they were given.This aricle is disgusting and really anti transsexual in a very cunning way. If you are CD / TG fine not issue but done make out you are TS when you clearly arent. CD/TG like you are ashamed of the stigma now attached to being a CD and so you seek to claim anew one .That is disgusting be who you are and get your friends to clean u there act rather then poop on my name thanks!

gina morvay
gina morvay

There is so much fail in this article I don't know where to begin. Somehow suggesting that men who are into trans women are just as easily into gay men who put on drag for the night is just bizarre nor especially believable. I have serious questions as to whether this entire story is even true or whether it's some strange fetishistic fantasy of a gay man sitting at his computer. As usually, the Village Voice seems to have a hard time not disrespecting trans people, especially trans women. Maybe your publication should just stay away from the subject because you come off more as reactionary than queer hipster.

GemmaSeymour
GemmaSeymour

This piece was so clumsily written that I had to re-read the opening about three times before I understood that the author wasn't equating transsexual straight women with cis homosexual men. I expect better from the Village Voice.

As for all those cis gay men out there "dressing up" as straight trans women in order to get straight men to have sex with you? Thanks a lot for helping to fsck up our lives. Grazie tante. Really well done.

Confused Queer
Confused Queer

Nope. They can't. As a lesbian people also get baffled by the fact that I've dated transwomen. I don't know where they missed the part about me liking ladies, and transwomen being ladies. Meat shape = gender.

D:

laughriotgirl
laughriotgirl

So... gay men need to pretend to be trans women to get laid. Gay men can't "wrap their heads around" the fact that straight men date women (who happen to be trans).

Confused Queer
Confused Queer

I was kind of confused by this article, because though Phillips uses the correct pronoun for transwomen (she), he seems to conflate gay men crossdressing and transwoman, which are in fact two different groups of people. Transwomen usually identify as women, and drag queens usually identify as men. (I say usually here as to not exclude gender queer people).

 
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