The Tranny Chaser Chaser

Gay guys who like straight guys who like guys dressed as girls

I’m no stranger to the walk of shame, but this is the first morning I’ve ridden the R train into Manhattan with metallic blue eye shadow smeared across the upper third of my face like a sloppy Warhol silkscreen. I’ve spent the prior evening at a bacchanal called Eden Underground: a sex party for transsexuals and their admirers in Park Slope that just rang in its one-year anniversary. What brought me to the polymorphously perverse bi-monthly Friday night was a search for gender identity’s Yeti: gay men attracted to the straight men who are attracted to transsexuals—the tranny chaser chaser.

At the party, plenty of hot, blue-collar trade search for transsexuals. Those gay men who cross-dress solely to chase these guys are called everything from “deceitful” to “blackface,” but “midlife crisis” probably comes closest. They are going after what they can’t have—dressed as men, anyway. Sweetie, Eden’s large-and-in-charge mistress of ceremonies, sums it up as cruising for men they “could never get wearing a pair of jeans on a Saturday night.”

José Muñoz, an NYU-based academic who writes extensively on gender, asks, “So they’re gay men who turn to drag to get straight-acting or butch guys?” adding, “It fits into so many fantasies of the predatory homosexual out to prey on nominally straight men.” Muñoz mentions those turn-of-the-century, New York sexual superstars along the Bowery called “fairies” that George Chauncey details in Gay New York. Many heterosexual men “alternated between male and female sexual partners,” Chauncey writes, but the fairies, those willing to oblige these working-class men, “simply offered to perform certain sexual acts, especially fellation, which many straight men enjoyed but many women (even many prostitutes) were loath to perform.”

The first thing to get one’s head around is that most of the tranny chasers themselves are straight. Bruce, a 42-year-old truck driver and Eden attendee, demonstrates his macho bona fides by opening a beer bottle with his teeth. “I’m from Long Island,” he jokingly explains of his countrified ways. “We didn’t have can openers in the woods.”

Folks like Bruce make headlines when they have famous names like Eddie Murphy or (according to transgender prostitute Toni Newman) L.L. Cool J. Soccer star Cristiano Ronaldo was reportedly caught with three transgender prostitutes. Even Matt Lauer and Gavin Rossdale, Gwen Stefani’s husband, have allegedly taken walks on the wild side. Married New York GOP ex-Congressman Christopher Lee resigned after Gawker published a Craigslist ad featuring a shirtless photo of him with the headline “Sexy Classy guy for passable TS/CD – m4t – 39 (Cap Hill)”: That’s “TS,” as in transsexual; “CD,” meaning cross-dressing; and “m4t,” male-for-transsexual.

At first blush, the codified nature of the party evokes a parochial high school prom more than a sex party. In the AstroTurfed changing area just off the entrance, a sign prohibits touching without asking permission first. Not that the reminder is necessary for Eden Underground’s attendees, who prefer to engage in “mini-dates” before walking off arm-in-arm to a quiet corner to get it on.

In the front room, where most of the socializing takes place, a leggy transsexual in tight satin pleated shorts crosses the room while Lil’ Kim’s “How Many Licks?” is playing, catches a stripper’s pole with her arm, spins to the ground, and suggestively raises and lowers her high heel. A young stud bounds up from his seat and opens his shirt to display an overly tattooed torso. She nods approvingly, runs a gloved hand over his toned abs, and they wander off together.

There’s nothing overtly gay about this party: Even oral sex is sheathed in condoms, and the industrial stench of poppers is absent. Michael Wakefield, who lives upstairs and runs the space, often attends as his alter ego, Pickles. “Some of these guys are bisexual,” Wakefield says of the trans admirers, “but most are straight-identified and the straight-identified ones are definitely not part of the queer community.” Even so, “These are all chicks with dicks,” he hastens to add. “That’s what the guys are there for. If they want a girl with a vagina, they’ll get a girl.”

Elden, a straight attendee, agrees. “Pre-op transsexuals—what are there?” he rhetorically asks. “Three of them?” We’re talking outside, where I’m back in male attire (except for that eye make-up). If I were still in drag, he assures me, he’d most definitely fuck me. So why is he willing to fuck a gay man in drag, but not any of the men he identified as gay back in the party? And why do the gay guys lusting after guys like Elden get cold feet about doing what would attract this straight trade in the first place—dressing as a woman?

“Most gay guys are really drag-phobic,” Wakefield points out. “So a lot of them don’t even see it as an option. They just won’t come back. I had a friend who came to the party as a gay guy and got no action because the focus is on the trannies.”

Wakefield cooked up his own drag persona two years ago for a pansexual play party called Spam. He has no qualms about dressing for success. As Pickles, he says, “Oh, my God, I can hook up with hot guys! The men at Eden made me want to get more outfits, try to dress sexy, and actually have it be a fun sex party for me.”

Wakefield, a veteran promoter going back to the legendary, early-’90s He’s Gotta Have It gay sex parties, concedes that his Pickles persona might be a result of his reaching mid-life. “As I get older,” he explains, “I’m still attracting guys, but when I started to dress up in drag, I was getting major positive sexual attention from very hot guys. It was like, suddenly, I had that sexual awakening I had when I was younger. I can do this thing and I’m attracting attention from very sexy guys that are willing to do pretty much anything.”

Eden’s hostess Sweetie has been throwing sex parties for trans and their admirers almost as long as Wakefield, the height being his Third Sex party at the Vault, under the once-infamous, now gentrified, triangular corner of Ninth Avenue and 14th Street. He was also slow to connect cross-dressing with sex, especially with straight guys. “When I first started doing Sweetie,” he explains, “I had no idea that men could be attracted to someone dressed up as a woman. And I was astounded by the kind of men, the absolute epitome of manhood: Strapping, thick-necked Guidos from Brooklyn with these horse cocks were sniffing around for somebody in a dress. And it totally turned me out.”

Sweetie is a drag queen, which means that he self-identifies as male and dresses that way most of the time. “As a girl, all of a sudden you’re really appreciated. It’s like manipulating your body to create this more feminine form,” he says. “I got really immersed in that world, but at the end of the day, that world is not absolute reality. On the gay spectrum, I’m an overweight, femme, balding, over-40-year-old-man. I’m like cancer in the gay world.”

Hitting one or all of these walls sexually as a gay man is something that’s echoed by many tranny chaser chasers. Andrew, 44, is a gay man who started chasing tranny chasers when he was living in Milan. One night, he caught an image in the rearview mirror of his Fiat of his cheap, plastic, neon-green earrings bouncing up and down while being double-fucked by two Italian stallions. “Now that I’m back in New York,” he says, “I visit this party. It feels less scary than it did in Milan, where I just wasn’t connecting socially and it became my only real human contact.”

Daniel Harris summed up the malaise in his memoir Diary of a Drag Queen, where he describes being a middle-aged, lonely, and sexually frustrated New Yorker until he accidentally discovered chat rooms where he dressed as a woman to lure straight guys.

The ultimate irony is that the tranny chaser doesn’t want to admit or be reminded that the “woman” he’s with is a gay man. “I think if you would tell this guy, ‘You know what? I’m a gay man and I’m only putting this on because I know you’ll be attracted to it,’ the minute you said ‘gay man,’ he wouldn’t be able to get an erection,” Sweetie notes. She also considers it demeaning to a true transsexual or even a dedicated drag queen. “Michael’s brought his little gay friends,” she complains. “He’s told them. ‘Oh, girl, come get in drag, you can get great dick.’ But when they come down the stairs and I look at what shape they’re in, I’m furious. Furious! I don’t really express it, but I’m pissed. I don’t want the face of my party to be some limping, tit-underneath-one-arm, bad Halloween drag.”

There’s something anachronistic about trans admirers—not dissimilar to the get-ups of most drag queens. Eden Underground hangs on the polarities of ’50s-style hyper-masculine and hyper-feminine to keep all its plates in the air. Maybe it’s part of the historical detritus of gay shame—trans admirers fearing being considered gay and the gay men chasing them not wanting to be sissies. “There is such a fear in gay men about laying that down and saying, ‘I’m going to be every stereotype tonight that people have thought about gay people for the past 500 years,’ ” Sweetie says, “that we identify as women.” That, and the fact that that’s the only way they’re going to be nailed by straight guys.

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thikprik
thikprik

Tell me where a DL guy can meet and hook up with trannies, CDs, TS..not a pay site or CL

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I am less interested/concerned by the article, written by a journalist outside the community, than the comments which I presume are from within the community.

Defining a transgendered woman (yes, lets use the correct term here) versus a CD as one who does not wear a wig is a bit narrow minded and erroneous. Do not biological women wear wigs? What about nail polish? If those in the community can not understand the difference between TG & CD, it is no wonder that the general population is confused.

Even though I am a transgendered woman, I long ago disposed of the TG definition and fully consider myself female. So to the guy who never see's TG's in the same social scenarios as "real women", I would say that we are there, it is just not that obvious, which is our intent. We do not dress like hookers or drag queens. I am there, as are many of my friends, in bars, clubs, restaurants, museums, airports, etc. We are where ever biological women are.

I echo the comment below, which is seemingly on target with respect to fully out and integrated (into society) transgendered women: "Will a decent attractive TS make a trek to Brooklyn so some trannychasers enjoy her company and give her a blowjob in the club? I don't think so. Why would a TS demean herself to that level? For lack of admirers?"

Not that I have a problem with the Eden Underground scene. I consider it an important element of the community, but most TG women I know either have never been there, or went once out of curiosity.



hippestdude
hippestdude

the parties are a good place to go if you dont wanna go to a sleazy dangerous hotel and possibly get beaten up/robbed and have no way of reporting it. Thats a big reality of it!

I am straight  and never see Trannies  OR cRossdrESSERS in the same social scenarios I do as Real women.  AND ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! so the parties are a good place

 if we are all having fun I dont see the need for Tgirls to try and charge for any sexual play when they are enjoying the fun and attention as well


mr.put_it_down_right
mr.put_it_down_right

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clubwear
clubwear

Transgender people who are undergoing or have undergone gender reassignment therapy are usually not regarded as cross-dressing. Namely, a transsexual who has completed gender reassignment surgery is certainly not considered cross-dressing, unless they were to wear clothes of the gender opposite of what they have transitioned to. Pre-operative transsexuals may be considered similarly.

Auprettyc
Auprettyc

Very interesting article I'm a transsexual and I think there are certain things need to clarify. First, a man in drag but yip can clearly see he is wearing a wig is a cross dresser. Some of them are actually gay and just want to cross dress to pick up straight guys. They cross dress as a hobby. In real life, they live as a man. No way they can cross dress and go out day in day out as a woman in the society.

The transsexual or if you want to called them trannies, they are those who don't wear wigs, they don't cross dress and you certainly dont see them with stubble. They live 24/7 as a female. Those a transsexual or nowadays, a better term, t-girl.

Guys who date or fantasise t-gals are straight. They like them because they are attractive as very feminine acting then some women. I'm not saying all but some women here. They fantasise them which doesnt necessary means that they are gay. They don't fantasise their male part. They just admire their femininity. May be because t-girls put more effort to be a woman so that some males find it is a turn on.

There's no offence to real women out there. I think some guys just find that t- gals are really attractive. They certainly look very sexy. But after all, it is just a fetish or fantasy that I guess it is hard foes one to understand. I know some guys dated women in the past, married with children but then marriage fail and go out and date t-gals. May be they are scare of going down that road again. But they can't date male as they are not attracted to hairy face, legs and arms.

Transsexualism is a very interesting subject and I think one should use an open mind to look at this subject.

Kate Bornstein
Kate Bornstein

Oh Tony, this is brilliant. I just tweeted this article with a link, and I called this piece a dizzying if problematic (well, you ARE a maker of mischief) Escher-and-Aubrey-Beardsley intersection of class, gender, and sexuality. Tony, thank you so much for showing me something completely new and different and nothing like I've ever heard before. LOVE YOU! K

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Tgirlbeauty
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The writer is merely writing from his experience.

Unfortunately, the club Eden Underground caters to tranny chasers who would get intimate with someone who's dressed up as a girl. Admit it ladies. Most tranny chasers see us as sexual fantasies and would not openly date a tranny. Can you blame them? Society is very quick to label people "oh he's gay, etc". What would people call someone who dates a tranny? Is he gay when he loves women and transwomen?

Will a decent attractive TS make a trek to Brooklyn so some trannychasers enjoy her company and give her a blowjob in the club? I don't think so. Why would a TS demean herself to that level? For lack of admirers?

My TS friends who are escorts make sense when they tell me, "charge all those guys who just see us sexual fantasy".

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Princess
Princess

While I understand your want to write an article that had some original perspective, I feel like you did the event (and trans people) a great injustice.

It feels like you went to a movie and gave us a review on the people that sat next to you.

As a transwoman who attends the Eden parties, I must admit this article unfortunately screams of the age-old problem of "gay men" (of which it seems you are) finding a way to not place the focus on transpeople, even when the party is a TRANS event.

Perhaps an article on your own issues about transpeople would have been an interesting angle, as apposed to completely excluding the individuals that this party is ABOUT.

Your concept of the "tranny chaser chaser" is limited, at best.

I am a transwoman who puts great efforts into my body, I spend great amounts of money and time on looking soft and alluring...when I walk into Eden, the men literally horde around me and my night is filled with attention and good energy.

THIS is the point of the party!

So if you come to the party in lipstick and a brooks brothers suit or you are flawlessly smooth and flaunting it, there is a place for you...which also means, there is a place for YOU...and your article.

I only wish that you would have had more of an open heart (and mind) to take this as a chance to promote positivity for the parties true purpose and celebrate the spirit in which this event was created...for transpeople to find a place of exploration and attention that is difficult to come by sometimes.

Storm4u
Storm4u

"I have to point out that my article is not about trans people at all" quote by author."The article was about gay guys cross-dressing to nail straight guys who like cross-dressers" quote by HKGuy. I believe I attributed both to the author sorry.So clearly the author and HKGuy realise the article is nothing about trannies so why was it important to refer to misleadingly represent the article to being about trannies when it is clear it isnt?HKGuy, you call the author a straw man?I am a very public figure here and stand up to gain understanding by right wing, left wing and centre. It is understanding by all I work towards.I have 5 books to read for free on my website to learn about live as a transsexual. Also a range of articles I have written or been involved in, to foster understanding of Transsexuals.I make nothing from them and they contain some extremely personal detail.

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Jane_S
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As a trans woman, I was pleasantly surprised by the twist on the normal tropes in depictions of us... compared to everyone else in the article, real trans women were depicted as authentic, desirable, and relatively sane.

And normally its is much harder to see the machinery of cis people's construction of trans identities at work. Double yay for the visibility!

I was also surprised by the honest admission by a gay man that nominally trans friendly social scenes carry all kinds of subtext that freaks out gay men and pushes their buttons, but that also turn their crank. The normal way the mainstream gets to see the tension between trans women and gay men is during catty swipes taken by culturally prominent gay men take at trans women every so often (e.g. Fred Savage and Perez Hilton), but this article dug into the issue a little deeper, by finding some curious "perks" that trans women "enjoy" that hinge on being female-between-the-ears.

The apparent perks seem to be able to induce gay men to act against type -- gay men temporarily "putting up with" female dress and behavior and a life-time of complexes around being too girly... all for the sake of the sex.

This makes it especially interesting, when the story documents so precisely that (1) the provider of the space is a guy who dresses up for sex, (2) the organizer of the parties is a guy who dresses up for sex, (3) the two participants interviewed are guys who dress up for sex, and (4) the author who documents the scene in a major NY paper is a guy who dresses up for sex.

From what I can tell, this **entire scene** is predicated on the existence of trans women and yet none of us are actually there. Its like a secret rebel group of 8 people, 7 of who are actually under cover agents from various agencies who don't realize that without all the government spies, there wouldn't even be a rebel group to spy on. Maybe there's one real person who wouldn't even have a group if it wasn't for all the people clinging to them? The real rebels, if they exist as a group, are elsewhere.

Similarly, without the *idea* of trans women (invoked as "trannies" over and over, like a secret password) it almost sounds like this particular group of "men who have sex with men" couldn't sustain the fiction that its participants require in order to get off.

For any actual trans women reading this who are new to the game... this is basically par for the course. The bulk of depictions of trans women are by cis people, for cis people, and serve the cultural needs of cis people. They are not usually this sad or simplistic. The "psychological studies" done on us are mostly aimed at helping cis people understand their own gender. The "medical studies" are mostly not done to find the best treatment but to help cis people come to terms with *they* feel about *our* medical care (yes, let's study "SRS regret" again, that study never gets old). There are variations, but they are variations on a relatively stable theme.

When Candice Cane played a character in Dirt Sexy Money, they digitally lowered her voice so she's "sound like she was trans". When trans people were used as extras to be members of the "trans community" in A Girl Like Me, the makeup people were instructed to make the trans women look more like men, because otherwise the extras didn't look like they were trans. The picture used for this article shows a hunky guy into someone in a dress with hairy arms and legs is typical in this respect. That's not what trans girls look like, that's what cis people imagine that trans girls look like.

Learning to see and ignore cis people's funhouse mirror version of trans people is a survival skill worth cultivating. Once you've subtracted out the noise you can extract core lessons (e.g. normal men are generally OK with trans girls, and we're rarer than hen's teeth so we actually have kinda high market value) and move on and make your own life that's *not* based on cis people's desperately tragic confusions.

cd desi
cd desi

Trannies and crossdressers cant be never understood with their acts. Am same crossdress from 33 years and still loving to dress.

Sorry for bad language.

CD Desihttp://crossdresstips.blogspot...

Nick
Nick

How can you write an article about trans people (I assume that's what you mena by "trannies") that doesn't include a single trans person? All you described were cis men who are painfully insecure about their sexualities. As other commenters have said, there's nothing wrong with cross dressers or drag queens, but they are not trans people. A trans woman is a woman who happened to be born in a male body. A drag queen is a man with a male body who enjoys dressing as and performing as a woman.

Articles like these are the reason trans people are seen as little more than "crossdressers who took things too far" or "gay men who are so gay they came back around the other side and became women." You do a disservice to everyone who is actually trans, and who is struggling to simply live in a world hostile to them by equating being trans with dressing up for a kinky sex party.

Movielover
Movielover

I know a beautiful butch bartender who loves for guys to blow him, but they have to wear a wig. I can't really stoop (!) to such tactics, but it is true that a lot of macho men like hot sexy queers to play with if the queers do a female costume. This is not uncommon. It's a little weird, but not uncommon.

Storm
Storm

I really cant be bother read the second page sorry as there is just too much wrong in the first page.1- a male who dressers as a female to attract other men for sex acts is seeking a homosexual act.2- the one who dresses as a female in this scenario is not a Transsexual but a crossdresser. It is the stigma we transsexuals have to life with.3- 'Bruce' is seeking to experience a homosexual act and when doing so will classed as a homosexual not a hetrosexual.Cross dresses are fine and I have friends who but they understand that they arent transsexuals. They live 85% of thier lives as men, They enjoy using their penis. MtF transsexuals life as the woman they are and had the penis they were given.This aricle is disgusting and really anti transsexual in a very cunning way. If you are CD / TG fine not issue but done make out you are TS when you clearly arent. CD/TG like you are ashamed of the stigma now attached to being a CD and so you seek to claim anew one .That is disgusting be who you are and get your friends to clean u there act rather then poop on my name thanks!

gina morvay
gina morvay

There is so much fail in this article I don't know where to begin. Somehow suggesting that men who are into trans women are just as easily into gay men who put on drag for the night is just bizarre nor especially believable. I have serious questions as to whether this entire story is even true or whether it's some strange fetishistic fantasy of a gay man sitting at his computer. As usually, the Village Voice seems to have a hard time not disrespecting trans people, especially trans women. Maybe your publication should just stay away from the subject because you come off more as reactionary than queer hipster.

GemmaSeymour
GemmaSeymour

This piece was so clumsily written that I had to re-read the opening about three times before I understood that the author wasn't equating transsexual straight women with cis homosexual men. I expect better from the Village Voice.

As for all those cis gay men out there "dressing up" as straight trans women in order to get straight men to have sex with you? Thanks a lot for helping to fsck up our lives. Grazie tante. Really well done.

Confused Queer
Confused Queer

Nope. They can't. As a lesbian people also get baffled by the fact that I've dated transwomen. I don't know where they missed the part about me liking ladies, and transwomen being ladies. Meat shape = gender.

D:

laughriotgirl
laughriotgirl

So... gay men need to pretend to be trans women to get laid. Gay men can't "wrap their heads around" the fact that straight men date women (who happen to be trans).

Confused Queer
Confused Queer

I was kind of confused by this article, because though Phillips uses the correct pronoun for transwomen (she), he seems to conflate gay men crossdressing and transwoman, which are in fact two different groups of people. Transwomen usually identify as women, and drag queens usually identify as men. (I say usually here as to not exclude gender queer people).

ssj4gogeta2013
ssj4gogeta2013

That's so true most t girls are more better than actual females it's the best of both worlds

rdsicu
rdsicu

@Auprettyc Hi,I liked your article and can relate to what you are saying. I,m strait and feel the same as you say here.  Im very new at this I,m an older guy and very attracted to T girls .And... just divorced needing that intimacy that everyone needs.Can you call them Shemales? Can you please tell me the difference? I feel it is a turn off for someone to dress up like a man as if it,s Halloween. If you cannot be who you are then don,t try to fool other men(or women) your only fooling yourself, that's my opinion.   I have seen some t girls that were so attractive that even their male part looked as beautiful and as as they were and it surprised me. I still was knocked out about their natural femininity and beauty. I still love women the most but if they don,t act like their gender it turns me off. I could never be with another man but it still surprises me how I feel about t girls. Thanks for reading , maybe you can give me some insight, R  x

aguzman2203
aguzman2203

@Tgirlbeauty so what's a good location to meet tyranny a to have real relationship with one not just sexual

hippestdude
hippestdude

@Princess the concept of that Tranny Chaser 411  group where you assholes post our photos is limited at best.

We put the clothes on your back.  How dare you idiots?!

thikprik
thikprik

Where can one find trannies/ CDs and alike on line? Not PAY sites and NOT CL

Getmespooky
Getmespooky

Hi Nick,

Thanks for your considered response. I have to point out that my article is not about trans people at all, but rather the gay men who like to sleep with the straight men who admire trans people. I did speak to plenty of trans folk during the course of researching and writing this article and took a lot of what they had to say on background. This is not something I'm averse to doing. In fact, the first article I ever wrote for The Voice more then ten years ago chronicled Amanda Lepore and Sophia LaMar as they sought legal remedy for their biased firing by the nightclub Twilo. But back to the matter at hand, are the gay people I'm writing about "painfully insecure about their sexualities" as you mention? Sure, who isn't? Do I think this type of power play coming from a patriarchy underneath the LGBT umbrella that has already done much to suppress the trans community is fairly reprehensible? Definitely. Was it some of the best sex I ever had? You betcha. And I think there's the rub, but as this type of triangulation is something that's emerging on the queer margins, it's also what makes it worth writing about for the queer issue.

All best,

Tony Phillips

HKguy
HKguy

The article was about gay guys cross-dressing to nail straight guys who like cross-dressers. What does that have to do with 'trans people'? If transgendered people spent 1/8 the energy on real issues instead of stupidity like this nit-picking, we'd have a transgendered senator by now.

Storm4u
Storm4u

Right on Nick!!! This article and any like it, do a great deal of harm. At a time when things around the world are starting to improve, publishing this trype just shows a supremme lack of understanding by the VOICE, insensitivity and gutter press. Of the author, it just shows total ignorance of transsexuals and the transgender community. Some would call for it to be pulled down but I believe if it stands it shows the ignorance and baise that is still about and causing discrimination and harm to transgender people who are still a minority and most are vulnerable people.

hippestdude
hippestdude

@gina morvay  most men into trans Do also mess with gay men so whats the issue?

ive formed really good friendships with some Trannies ive seen and they surely cant date thier clients so to fill emotional void that date gay hustlers.


The novelty of a chick with a dick can easily be achieved a hot and stylish crossdresser.

Too many trannies have the nerve to ask for money for drugs or surgery when we are all out here having fun


laadeeda
laadeeda

@Confused Queer  it is absolutely true that there are major MENTAL, as well as ANATOMICAL differences between a man who dresses as a woman to get sex and be FABULOUS, and a person who is gender dysphoric who actually has the BRAIN and EMOTIONS of the female gender truly feels that they were dealt a contract with life that they did not ask for. Let me ask you this, if there was anyone out there who was not just interested in a quick fix, and was interested in something more than a encounter with a sociopath who just wanted to use you for thrills and chills, and actually wanted someone that they had feelings for, who they could share a life with a cuddle together in a movie theater with, is that someone a MAN who spends 85% of their time as such? Probably not. And additionally, it is unwise to complain about being unwanted in your normal state as a middle aged, balding man. If you had some self respect, you would at least hold out for someone (that means ONE PERSON) who appreciates you for yourself. Anything else is only adding fuel to the fire in furthering your own sense of social and emotional disconnection as well as a sense of malaise. Unless you are yourself a sociopath who doesn't mind using other people as a way to achieve your end. Then I guess you've achieved your end game. EMPTY.


Pennymouse
Pennymouse

No, that's not what you did at all. You wrote an article that kind of implied transsexual women were a threat to gay men. Because the straight/bi/queer/pansexual/whatever men who like transwomen don't like gay men. "But she's just a man in a dress! I'm a man! I can wear a dress! You're gay why don't you want me?!"

God, gay guys. Not everything is about you. There are plenty of people who will fuck you, just not tranny chasers.

laughriotgirl
laughriotgirl

So, it isn't about trans women... it is about gay men once again appropriating trans women to get what they want. Rather than social and historical legitimacy (ie. Two Spirit peoples, and many references in "gay history classes") this time, it's bagging the elusive straight trade. Mighty classy - glad you had some great sex, that's what it's all about ... right??

Storm4u
Storm4u

I understand what you have written about here as you will see from the email I sent you. What is annoying is that by playing on and labeling the term trannies, you are continuing to confuse society and not helping to foster understanding and educating. In truth this article has nothing to do with Trannies, but is true when labeled about older gay men.You are quite correct that alot of men want the male extra to play with but cant get their head around going with an other man. However they can be comfortable when the other person is dressed as a female. But in reality it doesnt make it any different than any male 2 male encounter and a gay encounter. To me the article is fine and understandable it is just the stigmatising of trannies I object to.

Storm4u
Storm4u

We spend time on articles like this because it stigmatises us. The author labeled it about 'Trannies' and he is wrong to have done so. You are right, it is about gay guys seeking gay encounters. Nothing to do with Trannies at all. BTW New Zealand has had a Transsexual Mayor and the World's first Transsexual Politician because we dont condone discrimination or stand for misrepresentation.

hippestdude
hippestdude

@Storm4u vulnerable people ? working as prostitutes?

Enjoying the sex as much as we do...


Some with guns and knives that will show you the true gender, they are - no hormones or surgeries can take that away..

if you are so liberal then marry one!! You wont- because you are having fun just like the rest of us.

Storm4u
Storm4u

Yep, a clear example of G&B, NOT supporting the T but making a mockery, putting them down and stigmatising them for the benefit of Gay & Bisexual men. If the author had any decency, he would either pull it or atleast rework it, removing all referances to Trannies and transsexuals. And also do some reading to can at least some understanding of transsexuals.

Storm4u
Storm4u

When 2 readers support you and most oppose, I'd suggest you do that reading still.Your article had nothing to do with Transsexual and is miss labelled.

Storm4u
Storm4u

Cunning trick to place as a reply and also as a comment. I have many friends who are CD and am not anti CD in anyway. They are a part of the TG community, same as I am. It is when people are ignorant and dont understand our differances, when people confuse us and promote a misleading and confused opinion that I speak up and try to clarify. I certainly dont speak for others but speak my opinion. It would be interesting to know if you are preop, postop, CD, TV, GQ or what. I dont believe my comments are in the minority especially if you look at the comments placed on this article. I believe you are the second supporter. The majority have voiced a similar view to my own."And at least we can hide who we are unlike them if it gets too much for us " I dont hide from anyone. I am a human being and have a right to be who I am. I am open and out there publicly and considering I transitioned at 48, its a bit hard for me to pass and hide.I dont want to 'pass and hide'. I am me and want to be accepted as me. I am real and out there.The same as the CD's the author has written about but implied that they are Trannies. I have said I understand the article, it is his labeling as 'Trannies' I object to.

Getmespooky
Getmespooky

Thanks, UK. For a moment there, I'd thought I'd somehow misplaced more than a century of transsexual enslavement in this country. And I just kept thinking, man, I really need to do more reading.

Ukgal
Ukgal

Please dont speak for all of us... Yes it is annoying to be lumped in with cross dressers and drag queens at times but a lot of people who try to just get on with their lives have more of an issue with the vocal minority who tell the world how it is.

I read the article and got exactly where it was coming from... It was quite interesting.

Just like Rose White in the uk who is demanding that all drag queens at her local pride come with a warning sign you are showing an awful lot of intolerance for people who don't fit into your world view.

The use of N*gger and tranny is not comparable... Sure we have problems but in general they are nowhere near as bad as the problems that black people have had historically.... And at least we can hide who we are unlike them if it gets too much for us

Storm4u
Storm4u

I acknowledge the '85%' was a guessemate. As to the "Total ignorance of transsexuals and the Transgender community" and "fine and understandable", you miss the point. They aren't connected. You clearly have shown little understanding of Transsexuals or thought towards us. You need to be able to understand the whole sentence, not just read a section of it "To me the article is fine and understandable it is just the stigmatising of trannies I object to." So just because a group of people choose to call themselves 'trannies' makes them trannies in your eyes it seems from what you say. It doesnt matter if they are or not but it is ok by you? So if a group of red necks choose to use the 'N' word against African Americans, you'd agree with that also?Over the years, many CD's have created an image that we transsexuals are judged by in society. You know the hairy guy wearing a dress and wig, OTT makeup in a bar. Picking up a guy and going to the toilets or a back alley for??? I'm sure you know well. Trouble is he can go home, change into male clothes and go back in the bar and no one recognises him. But we Transsexuals have to live by the stigma he has created.These days as more transsexuals are coming out in the open and being accepted and understood, alot of CD's are finding they dont like the stigma either and so, just as the homosexual community stole the word Gay, many CD are now using the words Tranny and transsexual. Once Tranny refered to Transsexual, now it is being used to mean Transgender, of which CD are a part. I'm sure you have intelligence and dont really just believe anyone has a right to just claim something that doesnt belong to them? Just because some of the crowd you choose to mix in wish to call themselves 'Trannie' does not make them a Trannie.Finally to help you understand Transsexuals and that they dont use their penis as a male, answer what is your understanding of a transsexual. It is commonly said a person born in the wrong body; their body doesnt match their brain; they identify as the gender opposite which they were born - correct? If so then you'd find most transsexuals (MtF) hate the 'xtra', they dont want it, they are on so many hormones it will not function as an erection and will in time shrivel. True tranny porn is boring. But alot enjoy CD or shemale porn. I dont know one transsexual who enjoys doing the male actions and using their penis. Some escorts will for $$$ but they dont enjoy it or want to. It is because of the discrimination and they are forced by society into sex work. And that is caused by ignorance and assumptions. It is your flipent use of Trannie that offends, not your article.

Getmespooky
Getmespooky

Wow, Storm, I've gone from "total ignorance of transsexuals and the transgender community" to "fine and understandable" in a matter of hours. Who says we're not making progress? Anyway, where the term "tranny" is used in the story, it's mostly attributable to folks who used it freely, including the title. As a person who frequently reports on the trans scene, but does not identify as transgender, I didn't feel like it was my place to take that sort of liberty and can actually recall a conversation with my editor wherein he told me not to worry about it as the term had been "re-appropriated." My response was that I'd like not to come off as a "trigger," or the trans answer to a wigger, if it was all the same to him. But I must tell you, mixing it up: using "tranny chaser" and "trans admirer" in the same story, was more about getting the penny to drop for readers to whom the "Victor/Victoria-ishness" of the premise was already confusing. I'd hate for that impetus to be confused with some sort of semantic rigor on my part, which I consider patently ridiculous. The same goes for defining CDs by the percentage of time they spend living as a man (I believe your breakout was 85%) or whether or not they "enjoy using their penis." For the record, I saw plenty of transsexuals at Eden Underground who were enjoying the shit out of their penises, but maybe that's a little too sex positive for the more grammarian-based.

Storm4u
Storm4u

So you say mislabeling doesnt cause any issues, harm or cause a stigma?"The article was about gay guys cross-dressing to nail straight guys who like cross-dressers." and " I have to point out that my article is not about trans people at all". Both quotes from the author in the comments. He freely admits the article wasn't about trannies so why use the term and not crossdressers? Because the word tranny has more thought provoking power.If you knew me, you would know I do fight the real battles with the left and right wing and anyone where I can get people to understand transsexuals and allow us to live our lives as equal.If you want to learn something about me then please go read the 5 books for free on my website that are there to help foster understanding of Transsexuals. There is no commercial gain to me and there is some very personal and private detail. There are also articles where I have been out publicly in the press and on TV.

http://transgenderstorm.yolasi...

HKGuy, what have you done? Storm is also a name I am well known by here in NZ.I am just a normal person here and accepted well, not perfectly by people in NZ.

HKguy
HKguy

Articles like this in the Voice don't "stigmatize" you. Why don't you fight the real battles with the right wing? Oh, that's right: Because they'd be tough opponents. So you go after straw men like the author of this article.

 
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