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Carolannisaac 12/18/2011 7:52:00 AM
Dang. You're ticklin' my uv.
Pues, #3. I don't get that one.
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B.COX 11/18/2011 5:52:00 PM
good points, but this was one of the most difficult things to try to read...
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11/18/2011 8:18:00 AM
Maybe cause they keep looking for it on wall street, when it was really in zucchini park?
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Pan 11/18/2011 12:25:00 AM
Good article. I read this the day it was posted and I've come back to see that the general consensus is that the piece has points rooted in truth. I happen to like the articulate way the author presented it as well. I was at OWS in its infancy and I was surprised to find they had no central theme, raison d' etre, no identifiable leadership or at least spokesperson. I turned my back politely and knew that the movement was doomed from the start.
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11/17/2011 5:43:00 AM
Perhaps the slang is causing you a problem. However, even not understanding all the slang, I still could deduce the meaning.
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11/17/2011 5:42:00 AM
The most cogent point of the article, IMO, is that black folks have known that this chit ain't right since 1865.
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Crhagger 11/16/2011 9:57:00 PM
I am laughing my butt off, so correct is this rant!
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11/11/2011 11:33:00 AM
Allow me to simplify.
The article is a set of arguments that explain Black folks reluctance to commit resources/privilege we don't have to a cause that we are not convinced is in our best interests.
You can't talk about economics in America without talking about racism - and you can't intelligently discuss either one of them without understanding history. When OWS isn't addressing the problem of racism with specific solutions, or even discussing the connection between economics and racism, it is to us a red flag.
The article is a (partial) list of red flags.
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11/10/2011 5:29:00 PM
What a baffling read. If ever there was a point to it all, the edgey-ness obliterated it.
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Marvin El Martiano 11/10/2011 11:12:00 AM
It's anyway a straight re-translation from English to French, not some native wisdom or whatever you try to build it up to.
Maybe your mind is so open your brain slipped a bit.
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11/09/2011 8:32:00 PM
This article is weird and unclear; it's hard to read, and even harder to follow... Can we try again next time? thanks.
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11/09/2011 7:43:00 AM
Interesting screen name. Open minded? I don't think so.
Your comment is a sign of projection: the unconscious transfer of one's own desires, emotions or personal characteristics, to another person. Likely a psychological defense mechanism triggered by the realization of an uncomfortable truth. J'accuse!
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clearthisshitup 11/09/2011 1:58:00 AM
Sometimes I wish people (the writer above) would actually explain to what part of the article they refer. Did using french make your point any clearer? Nope.
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Open minded 11/08/2011 10:55:00 PM
1 reason why this article is written: "etroitesse d'esprit"
in french : narrow minded (wich is a sign of personal lack of love, you can't care for nor understand others)
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11/08/2011 6:28:00 PM
You had me at #9. Truth!
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11/08/2011 10:13:00 AM
This is such a BullSheet article.
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Whoanelliept 11/07/2011 3:55:00 PM
Great story, Calvin. Awesome writing!!
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11/07/2011 1:19:00 PM
Or to put it another way Africans Americans Can`t let the inner Negro out.think you
for not passing that FEAR onto your children's.Have you read "Forbidden Fruit"
Love Stories From The Underground Railroad,By Sister Betty De Ramus.
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11/07/2011 1:04:00 PM
MY BAD Have Popeyes and they will come.
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11/06/2011 11:48:00 PM
Reason 1...Its too fking cold 2. Beyonce won't be there 3. They know that unless you have guns and are willing to use them, nobody gives a damn. 4. They know that white people are arrested, but black people are killed at these events. 5. The people that they really want to hear what they say won't be there.
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11/06/2011 9:01:00 PM
"Hysterical-- even though I couldn't understand half of what you're talking about-- the ebonics parts."
These words speak volumes about your privilege and ignorance. If I were you, I would have thought twice before posting. Not exactly cool that you find something you can barely understand "hysterical."
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11/05/2011 3:17:00 PM
I believe the constitution was made for the poor white trash (descendant of plantation and slave owners). So I agree with what you are saying Calvin it's never a problem until it hits home. We are descendant of a people who were brought here against their will. We are living in a police state. Our young aboriginal men are constantly being stopped for no reason yet I see young Albion (European) boys standing on corners lingering all the time. So we aboriginal people could protest all we want but we will be the ones arrested and have hate crime on our rap sheet. And guess what ? we still won't get a job on wall street unless we are willing to divide and conquer within our own ethnicity (ie. house nigger or Uncle Tom)
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11/05/2011 3:25:00 AM
Maybe it's because the last time they tried to protest they were slaughtered. That's why we have the African Burial Ground. The last time they tried to protest and I'm sure , verbatim they were sayin," I have no problems wit you sir, I don't want no trouble sir, I have a family sir, MASTER PLEASE DON'T KILL ME 2@#$%
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Stephanieayeni 11/04/2011 3:09:00 AM
Yes I agree that Africans/Moors are what keep the jail system flowing. I've heard stories about how African/Moor men and women are insured and bonded. Wall street has invested thousands of dollars in prisons. We need to educate our people and let them see the importance of education. I believe that America should be a country where people come to visit and that every one should stay in their own land. All humans were better off when the world was this way. A human that is always trying to discover the 5 w questions who,what ,when, where, and why is a human who does not know where they belong.
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Stephanieayeni 11/04/2011 2:50:00 AM
Calvin I understand you. Being a bi-racial child myself I can't help but take it back to racism. It's a boycott when ppl of color assemble and a protest when the European/caucasian race assemble. But there are some European ppl that are actually empathetic to ppl of color situation. There is only one race and that is the human race. I personally thought this was about the rich ppl getting richer with the bail out in a economy that is broke. We can't blame Obama because he can't clean up what the European ppl did on wall st. Now Black ppl are not a ppl of color because we are born black,die black,bruise black. European ppl are the only ppl that change color so to me they are the colored ppl or and i quote"people of color".
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Stephanieayeni 11/04/2011 2:30:00 AM
Maybe it's because the last time we tried to protest the African Buriel ground was made?
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Calvin 11/03/2011 5:25:00 PM
Thanks for your reply. I have been pondering these issues since I read this article and especially your reply. My normal reaction is to reply back right away and essentially try to "have the last word". I'm trying to listen more these days, and I'm glad you gave me something good to listen to, especially with these issues that are outside my normal frame. Even though I am no mainstream thinker, the mainstream frame is powerful. I think even more so as a white person, it is easy and comfortable to not challenge it when it serves me in a certain selfish way. This is where your specific suggestions of Zinn's histories and critical race theory are much appreciated....I think I am ready to do that work...since the mainstream frame isn't truly satisfying me, but I can't free myself from it without some alternative. And certainly not without trying and working at it.
Thanks for making me think harder about my biases. I realized I shouldn't speak for anyone but myself...I have no clue which of these OWS folks will make good foot soldiers in the fight against racism...but since I don't want any solution that solves problems for White folks while leaving Black folk in the lurch, I take it to heart that for me to become a foot soldier in the fight against racism, I will work hard to not change the subject.
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Park 11/03/2011 4:49:00 PM
Did Greg Tate actually go down to Zucotti Square ?
The six times there was a lot of diversity, and yes
quite a number of black folk.
This is about uneven income distribution and how
the bankers and their political enablers keep ALL middle income --and less- people down, so maybe Greg should got of his high
horse of racial obsession and join the troops.
The sixties are long over ,Greg
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Mscottjohnson 10/31/2011 2:42:00 PM
Speaking as a Black man who has spent some time at OWS with my 5 and 2 year old children, I would have to say that this column is pretty spot on.Unfortunately none of the reasons although valid, should stop us from using this platform to get our issues in front of the world. With media here from the far corners OWS affords us the opportunity to fight back at the idea that many of us are too scared or proud to crit·i·cize this govt and its murdering talking head Mr.Obama. To stop caring about white folks shit is the beginning of our New World Order.
Remember our ancestors passed us a legacy not a crutch. Also remember, excessive Eurocentric education breeds deeper fear and admiration of this system. A fear of being left out that only make sense if you were included to begin with.
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Anon 10/31/2011 2:57:00 AM
I too want Black friends, like Sally & Johnny: http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
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10/29/2011 9:10:00 PM
Thank you Calvin for stepping up to the plate.
We deal with racism every day of our waking existence, and we are aware that one of White folks first responses is to "change the subject." We understand that you feel uncomfortable investigating privilege, so you change the subject to economics. We know this and have seen it played that way for generations and at this point, we find it patronizing - we remember that racism exists in good economic times too.
I understand that you believe that White people, both young and old, that are participating in OWS will make excellent foot soldiers, but I am not necessarily convinced.
I believe that it would be possible to cut a deal where White people's economic problems are solved, but still leaving Black folk in the lurch. For example, stopping the drug war, without dealing with it's effects on the Black community. One of the commenters here wrote about us getting the "shank" after the "New Deal" as a concrete example.
If you want to convince us that you are sincere about solving racism, you have to be more sophisticated than we are seeing at OWS (though there are some bright spots - use of Twitter to coordinate, "peoples mic", videos of police offenses, etc.). Believe me when I tell you that the people, politicians, news media, and corporations that you are up against certainly are sophisticated.
There are things you can do. You might want to convince us that you have read some history (start with Howard Zinn), maybe read some critical race theory, and also understand how media projects a "white racial frame" that does not reflect reality. You might want to get involved in politics to the extent that democrats win both presidential and mid-term elections. You might want to get some Black friends.
You might want to organize boycotts of companies that advertise on Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh (or that support Koch Brothers). You might want to resist and inhibit the politicking of candidates running on a strong "law and order" policy - usually, that means political oppression in the form of jailing African Americans/Latinos (see prison industrial complex, punitive counties, etc.).
We want OWS to be a success, but for the reasons enumerated in this article, we need to play things very carefully. If you don't deal with the race issues in America, correctly, and on a deep level, you won't win no matter what you do. By the way, I'd be talking about addressing pressing issues, like occupying housing!
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Calvin 10/28/2011 8:26:00 PM
I think it is valid to criticize some of the OWSers for not caring about inequality until it reached into their privileged, white, middle-class world, but the fact is, here they are, aching for justice. Speaking for myself, if someone who has an experiential and cultural history of enduring injustice, I want to hear from you! Expand my mind! My heart is in the right place, I promise you. Help me not make this some fly by night operation. Help me make this about more than something as petty as "saving the middle class." Help me make this a bigger issue. Help me add the historical issues that we still have to make progress on. Because even though I focus on the Wall Street crap, I do so because my heart aches when I see racism in policing, in sentencing, in hiring and I feel very strongly that the two go together hand in hand. Some of the young, naive, privileged white people might not even have a clue that this has been going on forever. But that doesn't mean they won't make excellent foot soldiers alongside their brothers and sisters of color if given the chance. I happen to think economic injustice helps perpetuate racism. So I am focusing on the economics. That's my bias. But we have to attack the problem from all angles with all of our best people and ideas. Please, help me see the other viewpoints. Let's look at our similarities. Looking at our differences weakens us against the true enemies of equality and democracy. The fact that the 1% is mostly white means that for me, the only way to see them as my enemy is to look at their differences, which is economics. I can't make this a racial issue by myself. I need help to do that, I have no background in fighting for racial equality but it is something I want to fight for. Thanks for reading....
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10/28/2011 7:44:00 PM
pretty witty and on the ball
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10/28/2011 5:25:00 AM
Occupy has my support, just wont catch my black ass out there.
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10/28/2011 3:21:00 AM
This is so on the money whether we want to admit it or not. You know you all have been thinking it!
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10/27/2011 10:39:00 AM
As far as the "interrogation of privilege" is concerned, maybe they'll find out, it's like Joni Mitchell says, "You don't know what you've got, till it's gone."
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Arwyn 10/27/2011 3:28:00 AM
Reasons #7 and #1 remind me of the New Deal—we showed up for that and caught a proverbial shank. African Americans had traditionally voted Republican but threw in with Roosevelt because of the New Deal's potential not only for economic relief for blacks but its potential for civil rights advances. Too bad so many of the so-called reform programs embraced racist practices and the majority of Roosevelt's appointments for blacks were tokenism at best. It wasn't a complete loss but considering the quantum leap we could have taken as a nation with economic and social reform, it was pretty damned close to a wash.
Flash forward several decades. Just as the New Deal's propaganda was predicated on putting the "deserving poor" (read: white men who'd lost their livelihoods during the Great Depression) back to work, we have a new generation of "deserving poor" clamoring for reform. One distinction is that the white men of the 1930s who suddenly wound up broke had zero pretense about wanting to include people of color in the recuperation of wealth. They weren't claiming 99% status. They weren't trying to appropriate poverty as an emblem of street cred in the place of interrogating privilege. I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin'.
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10/25/2011 11:08:00 PM
I believe Black folk have given plenty in terms of their contribution to occupy wall street. Black folk will always be present as the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in any non-violent assembly. As you may remember, before MLK, demonstrations featured bats, bricks, and Molotov cocktails.
Expanding on that, it is White women that have benefited the most from the civil rights movement of the 60s. They are finally giving back what Black folks opened up for them, by their activity in these current demonstrations.
We've endured enough.
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una 10/25/2011 5:58:00 PM
this is hilarious! love it!!!!
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10/21/2011 3:39:00 PM
Hysterical-- even though I couldn't understand half of what you're talking about-- the ebonics parts. Thanks!