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Matt Ethridge 11/14/2007 9:54:00 PM
At its finest, not an altogether rare peak anyway, music criticism brings to light work that is underappreciated but destined to make a substantial contribution to the future of music. Towards the other end of the spectrum lie critical attacks of music which does not share such qualities. If for example, good writers spent their time regaling us with stories of the music they do not enjoy, we would get very little chance to hear what they perceive to be good; it is a big world of contemporary music after all. If one does not like a band, one has only to not focus positive attention. Job done, and no need for demeaning one's self with adolescent vilification. At the absolute worst, though, is criticism that is filled with nothing but the writers personal, subjective, and ignorant opinions. It is this arena that Chris Ott inhabits with this article.
The writer himself deserves no special criticism - he is clearly intellectually incapable of making sense on an adult music criticism level - but the editors of VV definitely own someone an apology as to how such a poorly written, factually incorrect, ill-conceived and personally vicious piece could be published at all. I do hope they notice what dreck is being written in their names.
One of the primary attributes that make NY so great is the fact that it is generally the home, in America, of objectivity and intellectual skill and talent. Many New Yorkers like to make the argument that the rest of the country is insular and provincial, and in NY those crimes do not go unpunished. That is one of the only things, in fact, that one can hang their hat on when living in such an obvious physical cesspool; at least we have the cultural life. If, however, that is freely given up, with work like Chris's (and this is one of the most provincial, tedious, and inaccurate pieces of music criticism I have witnessed in a long time), then what is the point? Is the best of NY just as catty, ignorant, and navel gazing as the rest of the country? Is that really what the VV has come to? A sad state of affairs, to be sure. We might as well read the Post or the Boston Herald.
I'm going to have to go wash my mouth out for even thinking that last sentence. Too bad the Voice has brought me here.
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yes 11/14/2007 4:21:00 AM
OMG. U R SO RITE.
PPL LIKE U MAKE THE WORLD RING WITH THE PURE HONESTY OF THE SHINING TRUTH U SPEAK. I CANT BELIEVE TEH DECEMBERISTS EVEN DARE TO PERFORM IN A THEATER W/PPL IN IN.
U ROCK! THE DECEMBERISTS SUCKS!
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monk321 11/21/2006 4:21:00 AM
I never read any unfavorable reviews on the Decemberists, never...and I've got to say thank you Chris for making my day. I'm sure it's a shock to Colin, his girlfriend and his fans that there's ONE article in a sea of praise that isn't throwing flowers at the feet of and trumpeting the Decemberists in all their banjo-accordian-storytelling-fairytale-blah-blah-blah glory. Boo-fucking-hoo. Thank you Chris for your article, it made me feel less alone in the love-fest world of Decemberist enthusiasts. Rushmore was a great film, but a terrible "rock" band.
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admin 11/20/2006 7:14:00 PM
Dumb hipster.
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kingpidge 11/20/2006 10:00:00 AM
Chris Ott is killing music.
I don't listen the Decembrists. I don't have anything against them, either. It's an irelevant matter of taste, but I don't really know a lot about them (or Colin Meloy's personal history). As a fan of music, however, I found this article to be somewhat revolting.
I sincerely hope that Chris Ott doesn't actually enjoy music, as his career choice would imply. By focusing on the personal life of the lead singer, by looking at the way that singer pronounces a word, by analyzing (without merit or any logical reason) the psyche of Decembrists fans, by nit-picking to the point where Colin Meloy's accented isn't free from scrutiny, he manages to not once discuss the thing that actually matters: The music.
I haven't learned anything valuable from this article. Aside from three or four sentences, I wouldn't even be sure that Chris Ott ever went to a Decembrists show. I can't even tell if they can play their instruments or songs well. But I do know that Chris Ott is an ass.
"So much of this band's image is based on winking deprecation of this sort, painting them as inauspicious, honest artists forced into the commercial arena, but the truth is the Decemberists take their career in rock very seriously. The time between each number's final strum and Meloy's roadie handing him a different guitar for the next was subatomic."
You're right, Chris. Honest artists should be slow and bumbling. Lengthy set changes and clumsy song transitions full of awkward silences and re-tuning are the marks of great concerts.
I've never witnessed anyone so successfully make themselves out to be more self-absorbed, arrogant, and contradictory than the subject they were trying to call those same things. Kudos.
Chris Ott is a failure. He wrote a concert review without ever really reviewing the concert. That, in clear and simple terms, is failing.
There you have it.
Regardless of whether or not the Decembrists suck or are the best band ever, Chris Ott does his job poorly. He is a perfect example of what's wrong with an industry. As the hype around the music becomes more important than the music itself, critics like Ott keep the cycle going by criticizing the hype. They are a cancer on the face of an art, and they make me want to throw up on myself. But it's nothing personal, Chris, and remember to lighten up.
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jasonpace1 11/19/2006 7:30:00 AM
Ott, you are heroic. Excellent skewering!
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kiptok 11/18/2006 11:14:00 PM
Yeah man this guy needs facts, not opinions. What do you think we're reading here, music criticism?
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justin 11/18/2006 10:08:00 AM
its funny, everyone who has "sided" with ott has steered completely clear of any facts, and just went with the "you decemberists fanboys are just mad he wrote a negative column about them" but fail to actually make a point - just like ott.
i guess that pretty much makes sense tho.. he makes no reference to fact, and neither does anyone that agrees with him.
figures.
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admin 11/18/2006 12:58:00 AM
The girlfriend's post should show that an insult to Mr. Meloy equals a personal attack to fans. "Colin's great! I'd know if he wasn't. And I'm his girlfriend so I'm not biased." Oops!
This thread is pretty funny, though, from the "You suck" comments, to the "Your article is boring," to "Colin signed my boner after the show."
The truth of the matter is- I sense a Decemberists backlash coming along. Their music is okay, but whether Meloy really is or not, he seems pretentious. And the fanfare doesn't help.
You rabid fans will see, someday. The Decemberists are on their way out, what with their only-a-few-listenable-songs and bogus eastern costumery.
Have fun while it lasts, I guess, but this reviewer's article was too short to be boring, too right to be wrong, and too funny to keep you fans from shitting your pants.
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rxgau 11/17/2006 7:37:00 AM
I don't read the Voice music section much these days, and often don't like it much when I do, but thought I'd note for the record that I loved Ott's piece. Went to see the same Decemberists' show with fond hopes and found Meloy's "showmanship" so ordinary and his band's "musicianship" so static that I walked out fearing that I'd given their perfectly tuneful major-league debut--an impurity I've never believed reflected in the least on a record's quality--a half star too many. Someday I may find time to play the thing and make sure. Liked Harvilla's (second) Dylan column too--that's CYA with class, Rob.
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dapsugarwillie 11/16/2006 10:29:00 PM
Having seen them and met a few of the members I have to say they are extremely nice, funny and don't take their music half as serious as much of the politically driven punk music I grew up listening to. It's pretty clear you no nothing about their music or lyrics so the point of arguing with you is more or less moot. The band never dresses on stage as civil war soldiers or pirates and their "concept" albums are often just songs losely based on a piece of fiction. A great deal of their music is {lyrically} tongue in cheek to the extreme, but I see no need to go into details.
To claim that this band is anywhere near as pretentious as RATM, or rise against or whatever other silly political band you want to name {even the old schoolers like Crass or DK} is funny as hell.
After years of political guilt trips being thrown on me by pundits, movie stars and hip-hop metal bands, I find the topics covered by the Decemberists to be a breath of fresh air...But that's just me. I still don't know or care what the exact point of RATM was...I don't think thats a bad thing.
It's very clear that the critic was way off base on many of his points, he didint do his homework.
It's worth pointing out that the "faux-British accent" intro was recorded by a real life englishman, a friend of the bands from Portland. That friend is Peter Albert Cortner, who I think was the lead singer for Dag Nasty.
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niallgpendry 11/16/2006 10:08:00 PM
For those who care, here is Mr. Ott's aptly titled blog. http://shallowrewards.blogspot.com/
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jroth 11/16/2006 9:23:00 PM
I agree with every word Ott said. You hipsters are really getting your feathers ruffled aren't you? Go sit in the corner with your Decemberists playing in your ear whilst flipping through your favorite dictionary eagerly anticipating Meloy's next verbal diarrhea attack. "Oh, I learned a new word! Thank you Colin!"
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cedmatt 11/16/2006 7:06:00 PM
"I don't care if you're Slowdive or Sigue Sigue Sputnik: you will regret every minute you didn't spend laughing."
God, such true wisdom shines through the pathetic, half-baked insults. Ott, if you're still around... can I put this on a bumper sticker?
Perhaps if you grant us but a few moments of regret (assuming you haven't already interrupted your laughing to write a sadly vitriolic, ad hominem missive) you could spare another aphorism or two?
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jniimi 11/16/2006 11:04:00 AM
"...The truth is the Decemberists take their career in rock very seriously." This statement perfectly sums up a kind of tedious, jaunticed perspective that rock critics often have about rock musicians; a perspective that often cripples Ott's writing, in particular. This lazy, unconsidered perspective plays out along a few dimensions:
1) An entirely baseless presumtion about INTENT; that is, when critics claim to "understand" something about the artistic motives of a person they don't even know (also called "armchair psychology");
2) The paranoid belief that everything musicians do is "calculated" to manipulate their audience in some way, and,
3) that the goal of vigilant criticism is to penetrate this facade somehow and expose the artists for the conniving careerists they are -- bonus points if, God forbid, the artist in question is someone who should be happy and content with their lot in the indie ghetto.
Without even getting into the issues of the factual errors, kludgy grammar, stilted prose style, or total lack of formal analysis (i.e., what the *fucking music sounds like*), I'll just say it's embarrassing that Ott's still busy flogging the dead alt-'90s horse of "indie authenticity" -- a discourse that had no critical value then, and doesn't now. This article told me nothing about the Decemberists, except maybe that my own disillusionment with the increasing preciousness of their music places me uncomfortably close to certain blinkered rock critics' received notions. Ew. Get me out of here.
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catharsistonight 11/16/2006 10:43:00 AM
Honestly, it's not a personal, vicious attack. It's an editorial piece and the writer's opinion. Ok, so he's wrong about "tain" but to assume he's making some sort of statement about colin being overly proud about his "white heritage" , that's just seriously twisting the writer's words and desperately clawing for things to critique in , yes a harsh, but perfectly viable editorial piece. Fanboys indeed!
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lightupmyroom 11/16/2006 9:20:00 AM
As much as I disagree with you about Colin, I have to point out that you are indeed wrong on one point.
The "tain" Colin sings during Tain Pt. 3 (the only time the word is uttered) is tinfoil used for the backing of mirrors and is pronounced "tay-n." That is assuming that the American Hertiage Dictionary is evidence enough for you.
The rest of your review I find vicious and unnecessary, but hey, you're the one writing for the Village Voice and I'm just a college student.
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chuckward 11/16/2006 7:52:00 AM
You can hear them on myspace.
I think it is odd the reviewer demands some sort of authenticity from the song writer and seems outraged or disgusted the about composers choice of subject.
Geez it's just a band. He can sing about what he wants, and if it sounds good, why not?
The reviewer takes it all VERY seriously and then attacks the band for being overly serious. I don't think they are very serious, just trying to be interesting, I think.
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joe 11/16/2006 7:35:00 AM
as someone who's never knowingly heard the decembrists once (yes, you can visit me in my home, under a rock), i can be reasonably objective in saying that people who are ticked about this post are definitely off-base. the article is a perfectly reasoned and argued editorial review. disagreement is inevitable, but there's nothing personal or inappropriate to be found here.
to be honest i feel like i will have to go listen to the decembrists now so i can make my own decisions. maybe i'll agree with the article, maybe i won't. but i can say unequivically that you guys that are running off at the keyboard about this are just exhibiting your fanboyness.
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chuckward 11/16/2006 7:30:00 AM
Saw them in Detroit on election day. Took my kid and his friends. It was a great concert. This group doesn't take itself very seriously, Their sensibility reminds me of TMBG - quirky, literate (enough), musical. After the show Lisa and Chris stayed out in the back for 45 minutes till everyone was gone, just talking and being nice to the fans. Lisa was really nice to me, chatting and hanging out.
I suspect the writer of this review is not so nice as that.
I was impressed with the range of talents. They play violins, cello, various guitars, many keyboards, hurdy gurdy, xylophone, electric bass and upright, accordian. They did a fun little snake dance through the crowd while acting out the beheading of Anne Boleyn. The drummer seems to have taken lessons from Bonham himself and they truly look like they are having a ball.
Yes they are polished and practiced and the guitar changes were precise, but why not?
The review here is weird. Maybe folks from Montana or Portland just should stop being literate, earnest and nice and just get mean so they can survive the streets of NYC. The review reads like the writer is jealous or envious - it really makes you wonder what his problem is.
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rulerzig 11/16/2006 5:11:00 AM
he hates the decemberists just for the crime of being white. there is nothing wrong with meloy being proud of his white Irish heritage. i bet if he was black and talking about the jungle guys or whatever it would all be fine
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mical 11/16/2006 4:42:00 AM
chris,
if this were a movie and you were a police detective tracking down a serial killer, this article would be the point where the captain comes storming into the room, bellowing, "ott, you're taking a vacation!" please, ott, listen to the captain. take a vacation. let someone else work the case. we wouldn't want you walking around with a loaded internet in your pocket and that kind of attitude. and remember to turn in your badge at the door.
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zwickelicious 11/16/2006 4:38:00 AM
Ott's a storyteller, just like Meloy, but playing the role of the hater, the embittered, highbrow critic ready to slice up whatever music gains general appreciation. He even shares the same elevated diction as Meloy. Chris Ott is a very articulate lightning rod, nothing more. Look how many goddam comments there are here! Think there would be half as many -- agreeing or dissenting -- if this was a glowing review? Sadly, such an angry, ad-hominem attack won't actually change anyone's perception of the Decemberists; as these comments show, it only polarizes the fans and the haters even more, which isn't helpful to anyone. If this piece was meant to be a discussion that furthers the quality of music in general (as Ott purports it to be in his email response), it's failed terribly.
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textvsamy 11/16/2006 4:26:00 AM
I find it very sad that someone would forgo any attempt at professionalism to make personal attacks on a musician and his fans, regardless of the reasoning. Perhaps it's out of jealousy or spite, perhaps he truly feels this way, regardless, such commentary does not come across as a review so much as plea for attention and controversy and I am loath to perpetuate that.
I also find it sad that anyone could criticize Carson for wanting to defend her boyfriend. I'd do the same in a heartbeat for my boyfriend, and I am sure those of you criticizing her would do the same for your partners. When you care about someone, you want to protect them. Her commenting is, I am sure, in no way representative of Colin's spine.
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magoo0022 11/16/2006 2:19:00 AM
"The Decemberists look down from the top of this mountain, trying to make a living off of blase malaise."
the same could be said of yourself mr. ott.
i cant believe i wasted 5 min of my life reading this.
next time actually say something about the music douche.
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cdelbuck 11/16/2006 2:12:00 AM
not only did he go on needlessly trashing meloy, he never even addressed the musical ability of the band. prior to this tour the decemberists could easily get away with bad timing and generally sloppy musicianship (though they never did and always pushed to put on an amazing show). this new tour has really required them to be more than just a jukebox, they need to be prog performers. not only do they break the mold of most mainstream bands that have one set guitarist, one set bassist, one set drummer etc etc... they do more instrument performance change ups than ever before... never once does Ott mention this. THE DECEMBERISTS ARE 6 MUSICIANS IN A BAND NOT JUST COLIN MELOY (yes i'm shouting)
when seeing a band in concert that has gained an extremely loyal and dedicated fan base, one must understand they are interfacing with their loved one in the crowd who only get to see the band when they are in town, its not for the music critics... so you must understand the history before interpretting the present. even though the band now has a label deems them to play larger venues, maybe Meloy is trying to reminisce with the fans who had been used to seeing the D's in a much smaller setting
ugh and trashing the knife like that, again so little appreciation for something different that questions the means of live performance vs. machine performance... so closed minded for a man who can use so many uncommonly used phrases and french words. as much as i've loved the decemberists for a long time now, i was so much more impressed by the knife shows on the west coast.
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robertashley 11/16/2006 1:40:00 AM
You'd think the Decemberists are a religious sect or a political party the way everyone here is spinning damage control and attacking the writer.
I guess the Starbucks Baristas and investment bankers here who are acting like indie rock grad students deserve to listen to the Decemberist's cutesy, Max Fisher production clap-trap. Don't worry, one day you'll find a girldfriend/boyfriend/reason to get up and go to work in the morning....
And who gives a shit about authenticity anyway? I love Americana-by-way-of-Canada, The Band and Neil Young.
If music gets to you, if it does what it's supposed to, whether it's the Decemberists or Nickleback or the fucking Boredoms--it's a good, good thing.
The Internet turns people into monsters.
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justin 11/16/2006 12:23:00 AM
boostery: what you're not understanding, is that the "whining" that is being done, is not "oh you're so mean" - its based on the fact that this entire piece from this hack of a writer has absolutely no substantial fact, no research has been done. this is not journalism, this is high-school livejournal trash.
we could play word libs, insert ANY musician's name in the article, and not a single bit of it would look out of place. nothing ties the meloy to any of the complains ott has about him. ad-homonym.
BartleyRide, you really are a terrible writer. even your blogspot account is full of the same useless finger-pointing babble. you're a terrible writer BECAUSE (read closely, this is called citing examples, not just your cowardice behind a keyboard method of demonization) you have an entire article which is based entirely on just your opinion. now, opinions are just fine, provided you can provide REASONS, which you have not. you don't do research. you allowed your own sense of authority in an (obviously) unedited article to get the best of you. you exercised no restraint whatsoever, which completely demolished any sense of credibility as a writer. you've allowed YOUR EGO to step into the mind of meloy, in an effort to tell the people who actually read this crap how SOMEONE ELSE sees life, how SOMEONE ELSE feels. while we're talking about egos, like you did in your little essay, you dont consider a full page printed rant of your own opinion (with no chance of rebuttal, except for on here, but im sure a lot (if not most) readers just read the voice on the train or whatever) with you demeaning another person to the ground as egotistical?
be honest with me mr. ott: is this whole thing just jealousy, because "the Grace period" didn't take off?
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k8teebug 11/16/2006 12:13:00 AM
Do the writers for the Village Voice ever like anything?
Apparently, they do not.
I went to see the Decemberists in DC a few weeks ago and loved their show. And, I think their new album is one of the most creative and well written ones released yet this year.
I think you're just jealous you can't write articles the way Colin can write lyrics.
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tgwjmail 11/15/2006 11:38:00 PM
"The Decemberists look down from the top of this mountain, trying to make a living off of blas�alaise."
That was the author making an ironically self-reflexive statment, right?
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andrew 11/15/2006 10:53:00 PM
Chris, I am honestly embarrassed for you... Personal attacks are uncalled for and childish. If you hated it so much, why waste this much time on it? Obviously you have some other agenda.
Contsructive criticism instead of out right attack does so much more for everyone involved.
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catharsistonight 11/15/2006 10:34:00 PM
God Decemberists fans (and girlfriends) are whiney. I thought it was spot on, it's about time someone called out Meloy for being the hack he is.
the whole tain toin torn, whatever conversation it pointless, whether or not OTT made a mistake there, his general points and critique are still valid.
It's ridiculous to get all in a huff about it.
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baltimoretim 11/15/2006 9:15:00 PM
I just want to clarify (this point has been made but buried a bit in longer posts). Meloy uses the proper pronunciation of the word "Tain." Check out http://www.thefreedictionary.com/tain
"The Tain" is a brilliant song cycle. The Decemberists are a brilliant band.
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infieldavery 11/15/2006 8:56:00 PM
Thank you so much for this Chris. I was beginning to think I was taking crazy pills. I can't understand why kids are getting so caught up in a band that can enter civil war into wikipedia. I thought maybe something was wrong with me.
When did being "well read" become a desirable quality in bands? Even today's metal bands are writing albums based on Melville. ENOUGH!!!
Any guy who can't get over the fact that he was picked last for his "sporting life" isn't worth my time.
I've been more entertained flipping through high school literary journals.
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dumdummgmt 11/15/2006 8:45:00 PM
Chris,
From your comment..."my peers in the music world"?...your a writer not a musician.
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domu13 11/15/2006 12:40:00 PM
Ott, this wouldn't be such a bad article in expressing your distaste for the band if it weren't so half baked and just flat out wrong.
"Familiar world of self-pitying white people looking for reasons to be unhappy?"
Is that what you'd call a dance off contest, a pretend lava pit down the middle of the audience, three sing alongs, and cell phone calls to audiences members' mothers?
The crack about the Mercury was predicated on humility - not that they'd prefer playing there... it was an admission that it's obvious the crowds have gotten bigger and hopefully they'd be able to pull it off.
The faux British accent was not faux. Nice attempt to insult and point out inauthenticity when you cannot perceive it yourself, only surmise.
The Decemberists have never publicly trod a line of DIY ethics. I don't know why you continually attempt to fabricate some sort of conflict in their being on a major label since there hasn't been one really other than in the minds of juvenile music snobs such as yourself who are fixated on old hat issues.
As for your problem with their professionalism, the band (you know, the other part of this whole shebang) are not hipsters with modeling careers. Rather, they're accomplished musicians who take performance seriously, courteously, and with dedication. I didn't know that was a problem.
As for his admonishment they're a wartime band - nice misuse of an out of context quote. Meloy referred to the original as a statement that the band happened to be making music while we are actually at war. Or maybe it doesn't feel like it to Ott cause he's busier trying to figure out how the Hold Steady maybe cribbed a few notes from a piano riff off of the Wild The Innocent and the E Street shuffle. Likewise there are several songs about militarism and its effect on the individual throughout the entire new album.
Tain is not pronounced Torn. At least it wasn't when I lived in Ireland for five years.
Meloy is not embarassed to be American, especially and specifically from Montana as many have pointed out. His 33 1/3 book was not about the album or his teens but rather his childhood in Montana.
As for your final statement, I don't expect you to understand what exactly it is that Meloy is doing in song - which is something a bit more than cuddlefying or being embarassed about America. I'd say a song like Yankee Bayonet which actually uses the word Manassas or 16 Military Wives are undoubtedly about and of America.
Unfortunately, your posts are so blitheringly stupid and foundless, and so poorly and uninterestingly written, and your juvenile reaction below so petulant as to keep me from reading the Voice from now on. Tell your editor that as you brag about what a strong reaction you got from this one.
By the way, is a touring musician expected to talk to his wife on the precious few times they get on the phone all about Chris Ott's Village Voice review and ask her to refrain from commenting? What you lack in common sense you lack in manners.
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spray_and_wash 11/15/2006 8:05:00 AM
wow, dubya! good job playing the "un-patriotic" card. douche.
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takevsgive 11/15/2006 7:00:00 AM
How strange; I always thought there were 5 people in the band.
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jmcv822 11/15/2006 5:54:00 AM
I would just like to say that I was at the concert you were referring to and it was without a doubt the most entertaining concert I have ever been to. Colin Meloy's fan base absolutely adores him, and unlike most rock bands, Colin Meloy has a very intimate connection with his fans. This article was completely ridiculous. If you want to discuss ego, there are plenty of popular bands who are egotistical. If I'm not mistaken it was Colin's third performance the night at Hammerstein Ballroom, and the entire performance was perfect. All this article did was make you sound like an asshole. Don't personally attack Colin unless you are going to write songs half as beautiful and perform them with as much class and personality.
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stiv 11/15/2006 5:26:00 AM
I've never posted on one of these things before and won't again-- but mr. critic--- lemme tell you this--
Do you know anything about Montana and the Irish connection???
Do you know that Colin purposely schedules a show in Montana every time the band tours nationally???
Do you have any idea how much of his identity is wrapped up in the fact that he's a native of montana???
You make assumptions based on nothing-- do some homework. I'm not here to defend Colin even though he's a good friend but here are a few facts--
the boy is extremely well read. His vocabulary is a direct reflection of that. You're an idiot to suggest otherwise...Colin has a deep an genuine love for fable, myth, and story-- (and its something that is cultivated by Carson, as they both share the same aesthetic in different mediums). He is also one who doesn't talk out of his ***, he does HOMEWORK.
Also, if you kind find me another band that comes even close to how smart they've worked their musical career-- let us know. They signed to a major label and have kept total creative control. Meloy could give a seminar on how to be a smart band.
Ego--- Everyone has got an ego, but talk to the guy sometime-- he feels lucky and humble to be where he is-- and that place, is a place of his own making. No one did him any favors. He worked
If you attacked his product with some evidence, I'd say --- yup, critic. But this character assualt is as lame as it gets-- and guess what buddy?? I do your same job for a living too. Be a journalist.
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galacticlovers 11/15/2006 4:29:00 AM
What an awful article. Even if I hated the band, I would still react this way. I'm so glad Carson responded to this, Colin is a person too! It's ok to say you dislike a band, and even say they're show sucked, but this goes beyond a review. This is a distasteful rant that belongs on LiveJournal, not the Village Voice. As a fellow music critic I am disgusted and embarrased.
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justin 11/15/2006 3:53:00 AM
Rarely does stupidity irritate me to a degree that i need to post about this more than once. My last was just a nit-pick about how to say "tain".
After looking at this cluster of words again, I'm finding more an more issues..
You say "..that he'll never understand" - do *YOU* understand it? why are you the authority on pre-christian gaelic history? cite your sources. tell me *WHY* he will never understand it. Do your RESEARCH. there are so many factual errors in this document its really disturbing. Faux-british accent from an englishman, not understanding the how to say "tain", error error error. stupid stupid stupid.
so what if he made a joke about playing the merc. no, more importantly, so what if they were focused on success the entire time! i've listened to the band since near their inception, boy do i feel slighted. see, the reason *I* liked them is because they were still delivering pizzas in between recordings, with no fan base. why is that the measure of "success" who CARES if they are not "indie"? personally mr. ott, i hope that you stick to a shitty "indie" newspaper like the voice for the rest of your career. (we are of course pretending that the voice didn't become a big conglomerate, similar to how the decemberists became sellouts by playing for a bigger crowd) god forbid you're successful, and write for a real newspaper at some point in your life. will you be a sell out too? because really when it comes down to it, thats all you're doing. pointing fingers, calling the band sellouts using bigger words than that, (you know, like all the 12-16 year old kids did on the decemberist's board when they found out about the capitol signing) but when it comes down to it, this thing is completely void of real content. a measure of importance and significance of a musician, or writer, is "are you progressing the art form in any way." you sir, are not. this is a meandering stream of whining that passes by reality, but never gets it wet.
Be wary of those afraid of sincerity.
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kyriaoei 11/15/2006 12:59:00 AM
Thank you for this insightful review. I was at this concert, and I have to admit that I spent the entire event lamenting Colin's phonetic pronunciation of "Tain." I was utterly consumed by it. Did they play music? If so, I didn't hear it! I turned to the privileged WASP dancing not but .30 metres from me (badly, of course, being a Caucasian *et al*) and pleaded with him to cease pretending to enjoy himself and return to his hedge funds! He responded only: "Taaain," as he produced a lighter and burned a 100 dollar bill. I believe he was a Kennedy, or possibly a Vanderbilt. It is difficult, even now, to sleep at night.
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impossibleocean 11/15/2006 12:29:00 AM
by the way, chris - EXCELLENT use of your online thesaurus. seriously, dude. A+. but as long as we're fixating on obscure Ulster pronunciations, there's this little thing most people learn in high school english about there being no such thing as "more unique" because unique already means "one-of-a-kind" and there are no gradations of a superlative. i think they call what you did a "linguistic transgression" or something. but hell, i don't know. i'm not a writer like you. and anyway i was too busy shaking my head at your affected contrarian posturing.
hope you don't wear your scarf high enough to cover up your ironic moustache.
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justin 11/15/2006 12:20:00 AM
its not pronounced "the torn". you're wrong.
an actual full blooded irishman i am friends with just confirmed its actually pronounced "the toyn".
oops. credibility? perhaps not a huge deal, and not the point of thi....er wait, i dont see there was a point. but still, if you're going to go out of your way to bring it up, be correct.
i have to say, are personal attacks really necessary in a publication such as this? where is the review? where is the content? you just pissed and moaned about something you'll never do.. i dont get it.
what is your point in all of this?
if something sucks, it sucks (ie, mariners revenge - OH NO I SAID IT) but i mean really, this is the most baseless rant i've ever seen.. a real writer wouldn't have done something as ridiculous as this.
lost a reader.
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outerupt 11/14/2006 9:59:00 AM
you are not now, nor will ever be lester bangs. your writing is poor and devoid of content. overstuffed syntax and cloudy language do not divine meaning out of a rant. hell, you as the author of "best of boston" should know that even Mr. Butch has a 3 plus syllable vocabulary even at the end of his most cracked out days and he has yet to score a record deal, much less a sadly unedited blog at the voice. the purpose of your well-worn thesaurus is to enhance your work with color and subtlety not to wag witty over when you post a whiney defensive comment about the less than favorable reaction to your column, which, as criticism, should ostensibly stand on it's own. if we wanna get personal and career critical, don't you run an ebay's little helper for the lonely heart club hawking odds and sods cult of personality musicology crap from days of yore? wow. talk about merit. sounds an awful lot like that repugnant wu-scalper you so valiantly eyed out front of the Hammerstein that fateful night� And I used to love reading your contributions to the 'fork. Who else could have told me that the re-issue of Slanted and Enchanted was totally best of the decade material (the retro-esque paper scans were cute), or that Bjork's Greatest Hits was a sure bet? Are the Decemberists experiencing growing pains as they expand into their new home with Capital? Do they wish they could offer you intimate one-on-ones at the Middle East upstairs? Doubtful. Do they wish they could always play small shows to their fans who weren�t comped tickets by an e-rag? likely... at any rate, we'll all be sure to listen for your apologist mantel emerge as you deal with the troubles of explaining to your devoted audience the growing venue for your work when you score a Knopff deal with your next myopic on Ian Curtis or your next derivative electro-album. I recently wrote a 15 minute epic tune about your lack of ability to cope with your limping journalistic career entitled "the taint." Or isn't that pronounced "tornt?"... and you thought you were the only one that could do hateful misanthrope... and it isn't even my day job. bon soir. p.s. let me know when you decide to sell that ticket stub from the show... I might know a buyer: cost, no object.
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jessedurost 11/14/2006 7:16:00 AM
This article is boring.
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psouthern 11/14/2006 4:58:00 AM
This article is a piece of crap.
I'm stunned that a writer for the Voice would be so unprofessional as to attack an artist so tastelessly. To then carry on in a comments section is beyond childish.
I agree completely with Carson's outrage: it's well founded.
Chris, it may be a stereotypical complaint, but you really are just a mean rock critic. If you had said one interesting or original thing about this band during the course of this article I might be inclined to believe otherwise. You may think you're clever and you may think you're cute, but I promise you that the vast majority of people reading this just think you're an asshole.
If I were a Voice editor, I would be ashamed of myself for letting something like this be printed.
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carsonellis 11/14/2006 3:47:00 AM
P.P.S. Colin didn't "sic" me anyone.
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carsonellis 11/14/2006 3:39:00 AM
Chris, you're an archetype: a mediocre writer who earned his readership writing sensationally vitriolic reviews. It's the oldest trick in the book.
I kept checking back to see if you'd respond to my comment and you did but it's more of the same: blah blah blah laughable blah blah blah sadly stereotypical blah blah blah you guys are idiots for not realizing that when someone writes a really negative review it's actually a compliment blah blah blah.
This review is really venomous. It's unlike anything I've read in the 5 years that the Decemberists have been around. You're the one deluding yourself if you don't think it comes off as a personal attack. And did you really just tell us to spend more time laughing and "Lighten up"?
Carson
P.S. Kristian Foden-Vencil, the Oregon radio personality who recorded the show's introduction, is British - not a guy with a really bad British accent. Also, Colin is ragingly proud of being from Helena. He's a fourth generation Montanan who knows his state's history inside and out. In fact, right before I read this review I read something on Pitchfork where he talked about how proud he was to be from Montana after the elections.
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queensofthechessage 11/14/2006 3:26:00 AM
What not to do when you're in a band: Sic your girlfriend on a writer for being "mean" in a review.
What not to do when you're a music critic: Write a pompous, childish retort after you've already had your say in a review.
This is so high school. Please stop.
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moiche 11/14/2006 3:07:00 AM
Dear Chris,
Alliteration doesn't make great prose. Faux-worldly false humility isn't nearly as bad as faux false iconoclasm. And as amusing as Pitchfork reviews can be, as a developing writer you might want to consider pushing past the sophomoric.
Best regards from a concerned reader,
Mischa
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chris-ott 11/14/2006 12:36:00 AM
So let's see. Colin emails me within three hours of this posting online - it hasn't even printed - with a similar message, telling me I should keep his anger about the piece "between us." A laughable appeal to chivalry on its own - which I planned to ignore entirely - but then his girlfriend blows through the next day with a similarly spiteful, sadly stereotypical "mean rock critic" missive. Apparently you didn't get Colin's memo about "keeping it off the message boards," Carson...
So to you Colin, and your girlfriend, waiting under some cathedral spire for your heroic return: Making and promoting music - art of any kind - is a proposition, one necessarily followed by debate. Whether it's the PTA, your suite-mates, or Rolling Stone, you are offering perspectives and talking points. The better and more unique your art, the greater and more impassioned the response. That this escapes you as a point of pride - that it is surprising enough to upset you - is disheartening in light of your music's reliance on cleverness, history, and not least make-believe.
I guess the mistake I make - that so many music writers make - is in presuming our subjects are at least half as clever as they would have their audience believe. I write under the assumption that my peers in the music world are smart enough to know that what they do is at best a good time shared by all, one that should be enjoyed while it lasts and taken as seriously as a pie-eating contest on a cloudy day. I don't care if you're Slowdive or Sigue Sigue Sputnik: you will regret every minute you didn't spend laughing. Lighten up.
It's uncommon that anyone ascends to the level the Decemberists have, but your band has not gotten here for lack of trying. You are no more sacrosanct than Nickelback. Don't delude yourselves that this piece or my distaste is somehow a "personal" thing - my disbelief in your act is shared by a lot of people, many less invested in the music world than I am. Is it that you're pissed I used "solecism" before you could work it into your next EP? Or did Capitol already send you the pink slip? I thought they were waiting until March to clean house...
Sincerely,
Bartholomew Teeling IV
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carsonellis 11/13/2006 12:56:00 AM
Maybe Colin has made a career writing songs that use for inpsiration hackneyed folklore and singing them in a fake British accent. You made a career getting people to read your mediocre writing by being sensationally vitriolic and downright cruel. Trust me, you're the bigger, sadder asshole.
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carsonellis 11/12/2006 11:53:00 PM
Dear Chris,
Why is this review so spiteful and weirdly personal? You're lucky nobody wants to write a piece about you and the inferiority complex/unrequited romantic obsessions/high school ass-kickings/unrealized dreams that undoubtedly led you, presumably a music fan, to make a career writing bitterly hateful music reviews. I'm sure every other time you write one, the girlfriend of a band member sends a disgusted letter to your editor. Hopefully this letter will be the one that finally makes you realize you suck.
Carson Ellis, Colin Meloy's girlfriend
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tbattley 11/12/2006 6:34:00 PM
From one hothead to another: I defend your right to hate Colin Meloy. I even defend your right to suggest that he so insignificant and trite that he is not worthy of your hate. He is worthy of your venom, though, huh? Hey, the guy's got a right to invent a career just like any writer, and some of his performances, and recordings, with and without the Decembrists, are good! Is that allowed, or should the guy just kill himself?