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Hip-Hop Is Dead to Him

Hypocrisy and lack of flow defeat Marsalis's attack on "safari seekers" and "thug-life coons"

Amid rancorous critical infighting over free jazz in the early '60s, A.B. Spellman lobbed the following rhetorical hand grenade: "What is anti-jazz, and who are these ofays who've appointed themselves guardians of last year's blues?" Along with free's legitimacy as a new form of jazz, at issue was the contention by advocates like Spellman and Amiri Baraka that its screaming saxophones gave vent to growing black impatience with the goal of racial integration as an end in itself. Spellman, the author of Four Lives in the Bebop Business, a polemical oral history that's become a standard college text, was really asking what gave his white colleagues—onlookers to both the struggle for black liberation and the actual making of jazz—the right to decide. The taunt lingers four decades later, only today's self-appointed tradition-keepers aren't ofays. And in lieu of a regular byline, today's most influential jazz critic—the one whose word most shapes public perception of jazz—boasts a trumpet, his own stage at Lincoln Center, and the ear of Ken Burns.

Criticism means calling into crisis—that's been Wynton Marsalis's modus operandi since the early '80s, when he first decreed that the avant-garde's excesses and fusion's commercial accommodations were leading jazz astray. Plenty of veteran musicians shared that opinion and had been saying so for years. But their grumbling could be dismissed as an older generation's opposition to change, and it was quoted mostly in the jazz press, then as now a short step away from speaking in private. What granted Marsalis a megaphone was the shock value of hearing the complaint from a brash newcomer. He's held onto it all these years because he's talented, personable, and articulate—but also because working the media is no different from working a crowd, and like the Right since Reagan (by pointing out which I don't mean to tar him with the same brush), Marsalis goes on hammering home his talking points with an outsider's righteous indignation despite having long ago acquired an insider's power. He and his confidant Stanley Crouch may be disciples of Ralph Ellison and Albert Murray in matters of music and race, but their pronouncements on both are closer in tenor to vintage Baraka and Spellman—the language of black exceptionalism, this time in support of an essentially conservative aesthetic.

By virtue of being so closely identified with jazz—which most kids think of as a safe haven for burned-out swells in suits and ties—the one area in which Marsalis truly remains an outsider is contemporary popular culture. On From the Plantation to the Penitentiary, he branches into social criticism. That's the hype, anyway, though in proselytizing for jazz, when has he ever held back from taking swipes at the infantization of pop and black self-stereotyping in the name of keeping it real? He's just more specific here, making his debut as a lyricist and rapper (the latter thankfully only on the closing "Where Y'All At?") to call out "thug-life coons" and their white "safari seekers," "raggly public schools," rampant materialism, the burgeoning prison industry, '60s radicals who "started like Eldridge and [wound up] like Beaver," and hip-hop's "modern-day minstrels and their songless tunes."

I side with Marsalis on most of these issues, and he occasionally evinces a knack for wordplay. But the clunkers far outnumber the stinging rhymes and alliterations, and Penitentiary's worst offense may be wasting the considerable talents of Jennifer Sanon, a young discovery of Marsalis's whose dreamy, behind-the-beat, Peggy Lee-like phrasing deserves lyrics more singable than "I see women dragging/Souls of their womb vanquished dreams/Never to be" and "All you con men can hang up your schemes/Pimps and hustlers/Put up the Vaseline." The latter is from "Love and Broken Hearts," a ballad from the point of view of a woman insistent on being courted and cherished, not just played—in this context, a conceit that might have been better served if Marsalis had interrupted his haranguing and let Sanon show her stuff on "Let's Fall in Love" or another of the great standards she was born to sing. She's simply miscast on the title track, a sodden chant not even Abbey Lincoln or the Sun Ra Arkestra's June Tyson could've raised.

Instrumentally, though, it moves along nicely as it segues from 6/4 to 6/8 for solos by Marsalis, saxophonist Walter Blanding, and pianist Don Nimmer, with Carlos Henriquez's nimble bass ostinato supplying the common thread. Sanon aside, the saving grace throughout is Marsalis's gift for melody and orchestration. "Doin' (Y)our Thing" is instrumental from start to finish, its corker of a trumpet solo reminding us what sparks Marsalis can light when he's not out to make a point.

The whole thing becomes embarrassing only on "Where Y'All At?," when ego escalates into hubris and Marsalis tries to beat "big baggy-pants wearers with the long white T-shirts" at their own game. "They're rapping straight in the time," he criticizes the hip-hop his teenage sons listen to in a recent JazzTimesQ&A. "I told them, 'I'm gonna come up with a rap that goes all across the time.' " When I interviewed him years ago, around the time he was still being accused of copying '60s Miles, Marsalis replied it might sound that way to someone who didn't listen to much jazz, the same way all string quartets might sound alike to someone who hadn't heard very many. I take it from "Where Y'All At?" that Marsalis hasn't heard much recent hip-hop. Neither have I, but I've heard enough to know it's become a producer's medium—the polyrhythmic tension comes from the way the rhymes move in and out of the samples and the abrasive string arrangements. A New Orleans shuffle and a chorus refrain worthy of a junior high school assembly sing-along prove to be no substitutes, Marsalis comes off sounding like a cranky grandpa, and the entire exercise reeks of misguided noblesse oblige—an attempt to "improve" hip-hop by means of better musicianship and high-minded ideals.

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  • joseph 04/30/2010 5:26:00 AM

    I've talked with Marsalis at some length before. Marsalis is a reactionary. He's even a relative 'reactionary' in music: according to what Miles Davis said, Marsalis just plays "museum pieces" and hasn't contributed anything *orginal* to jazz, and as Miles said, "...nothing to advance the art!", like the 'young turks' or 'new Jack' bebop musicians Marsalis, given his conservativeness, would have undoubtedly _rejected_ at the time! And Marsalis is a relative reactionary in *politics*: he does preach "personal responsibility" as *THE ONLY ANSWER* for Black people (so I guess he, if he could get away with it, would even put down Martin Luther King), and he's put down every Black Power articulator from Malcolm X, to Kwame Ture, to the Black Panthers, and every such Black figures in between or since. *Every form of Black music* (from the Spirituals to the Blues) at the time of its creation was (at least originally) put down by (usually much older at the time) cultural conservative establishment Blacks and their white establishment supporters. Cultural conservatives put down anything they don't understand that's new. For one, Mr. Marsalis, most rap music isn't, strictly/only speaking, music: it's actually a form of performance art (whether good or bad or somewhere in between) *based* on music (whether sampled or live, or even sometimes just verbal boom box beats). Marsalis is a curmudgeonly hypocrite, because, after condemning rap music, he then uses it for his diatribe -- which sounds (awful and tired, don't quit your day job, Wynton, otherwise you'd be poor) like some musty curmudgeonly gramps trying to rap! (I know white and Asian youths who sound more hip and *MUCH* better!) And if he wants to know where the politically conscious Black activists are, then maybe he should get out beyond his luxury home, or Lincoln Center, or symphony concert halls, or with his fellow Black reactionaries (like Stanley Crotch), and the white lecture circuit bookstores, where he seems to spend all his 'thinking' time at.

  • Angela Dunn 03/20/2010 7:21:00 AM

    Wow! Great comments, I must say living in Austin and witnessing what goes on here socially this is definitely geared at the black community and My husband and I enjoy it. I love the voice. I think it was a good nod to avant garde jazz. The tambourine player is poppin', the commentary is not heard right now so I tip my hat to him. We all know his opinion and that's cool. It's not that serious as jazz doesn't sell like pop music. Good album not perfect but I listened to it again today and looked for info on Jennifer. I like that he didn't use her like Ella but I do hear the tone in her voice and would like to see her promoted like others out there.

  • berkeley5000 04/28/2007 11:49:00 AM

    A media friend's comment: " This trash [see YouTube: "Wynton Marsalis - Where Y'all At"] was so pathetic and ass-back reactionary it's not worth commenting. Damn, Marsalis is ahistorical and backwards. And his music is as dated as hell. You would think he was 95, not 45 - and that this was the year 1935. Just think, Coltrane died at age 39 and look at his true innovative mark in music in his 39 years on earth, as opposed to "the master recycler" Wynton. Marsalis is a blight on the spirit of jazz and humanity. "

  • berkeley5000 04/26/2007 6:20:00 PM

    Please also see my April commentary about the state of much of commercial rap music/videos (you can Yahoo/Google search the title): "PBS: Blaming Blacks Again", at Ishmael Reed's journal of literature and politics, "Konch". Joseph Anderson Berkeley, CA

  • berkeley5000 04/26/2007 5:46:00 PM

    The thing you have to realize is that Marsalis is a virtuoso, not an innovator: there's a difference. Marsalis, like Bill Cosby or Stanley Crouch, is also an elitist! These are the kind of elite neegroes who look down on anyone who didn't get out of the ghetto/'hood and blame it on those others' baggy pants or turned-backward baseball caps, or even on having those "Black names". In addition, all of these neegroes are relatively-to-very politically conservative in *ALL* realms. All these negroes are like some grumpy, cranky, know-it-all grandpas (like Crouch, or Grouch/Crotch as I like to call him), always saying how *good* everything was when they were kids, and how bad all the Black youth (or "jigaboos", as Crotch them) are today. Marsalis, Cosby and Crotch are tough love "traditionalists". (No wonder Cosby's -- "the world's greatest dad" -- daughter was on drugs and entranged from him. And what up with his son who got murdered out on some L.A. freeway with some older white woman in a miniskirt, high-heels, and a fur coat, who some say was a high-classs gold-digger or *something*, at 5:00am?) Marsalis not only disses ALL rap music, not just "bitch & ho" rap -- and political rap music too (which threatens the white status quo). He even dissed Public Enemy (he told me that Chuck D even renounced all his PE lyrics!), he dissed the Panthers, he even dissed Malcolm X!! Marsalis and Grouch don't realize that rap music isn't just music, it's a form of *performance art*: a hybrid form of music, &/or music & audio samples of all sorts, and verse -- a blending of various aural & visual elements, including attire. But, much of the Black bourgeoisie have, in their respective time, dissed every form of Black music that was ever created, before each of those genres eventually became universally recognized as cultural treasures. Aren't they tired of repeating 'the sins of the fathers'? You see, too many bourgie neegroes diss anything they feel rocks their socially comfortable boat in the white social economic elite! And these neegroes are *EMBARRASSED* to have to answer the white folks', in their elite social circles, questions about "militant rappers", or those baggy clothes colored youth wear, or if Marsalis/Cosby/Crotch actually *agreed* with Malcolm X that their elite white friends heard about in that Spike Lee movie. So, hiphop has been nothing but an embarrassment to these kinds of elite neegroes (and some of them are even presidents of and professors at Black colleges!). Rap music (crap music as Grouch calls it) disturbs their status with the white establishment. They don't want to be racially associated with "that stuff". They're the kind who like to *brag* how goood America has been to them ("Ohhh, Massa been *very good* to me!") -- and would be, according to them, to *ALL* Blacks who would just straighten up and act right (as though Massa would thus freely let us *ALL* share the bounty of his house without a fight). In fact, astute, incisive Black observers believe that if Marsalis had come before *bebop*, he would have been one of those "traditionalists" bemoaning "the bastardization and corruption of jazz by *bebop*". Bebop was also once controversial and very threatening to the traditionalists, white or Black, and the establishment. If uncorrupted rap is often the music of defiant liberation (and is still so in other parts of the world), bebop (in many ways rap music's cultural precursor) was the music of defiant freedom. Even Miles once complained to Marsalis that with all Marsalis' great technical talent, that with Lincoln Center in the palm of Marsalis' hands, that with all those white folks lovin' Marsalis and virtually kissing Marsalis' butt, that Marsalis was just only doing jazz 'museum pieces'; that Marsalis was just a traditionalist; that Marsalis wasn't do anything to advance the genre, the (jazz) cause; that Marsalis wasn't doing anything *new*. Joseph Anderson Berkeley, CA

  • berkeley5000 04/26/2007 5:16:00 PM

    The thing you have to realize is that Marsalis is a virtuoso, not an innovator: there's a difference. Marsalis, like Bill Cosby or Stanley Crouch, is also an elitist! These are the kind of elite neegroes who look down on anyone who didn't get out of the ghetto/'hood and blame it on those others' baggy pants or turned-backward baseball caps, or even on having those "Black names". In addition, all of these neegroes are relatively-to-very politically conservative in *ALL* realms. All these negroes are like some grumpy, cranky, know-it-all grandpas (like Crouch, or Grouch/Crotch as I like to call him), always saying how *good* everything was when they were kids, and how bad all the Black youth (or "jigaboos", as Crotch them) are today. Marsalis, Cosby and Crotch are tough love "traditionalists". (No wonder Cosby's -- "the world's greatest dad" -- daughter was on drugs and entranged from him. And what up with his son who got murdered out on some L.A. freeway with some older white woman in a miniskirt, high-heels, and a fur coat, who some say was a high-classs gold-digger or *something*, at 5:00am?) Marsalis not only disses ALL rap music, not just "bitch & ho" rap -- and political rap music too (which threatens the white status quo). He even dissed Public Enemy (he told me that Chuck D even renounced all his PE lyrics!), he dissed the Panthers, he even dissed Malcolm X!! Marsalis and Grouch don't realize that rap music isn't just music, it's a form of *performance art*: a hybrid form of music, &/or music & audio samples of all sorts, and verse -- a blending of various aural & visual elements, including attire. But, much of the Black bourgeoisie have, in their respective time, dissed every form of Black music that was ever created, before each of those genres eventually became universally recognized as cultural treasures. Aren't they tired of repeating 'the sins of the fathers'? You see, too many bourgie neegroes diss anything they feel rocks their socially comfortable boat in the white social economic elite! And these neegroes are *EMBARRASSED* to have to answer the white folks', in their elite social circles, questions about "militant rappers", or those baggy clothes colored youth wear, or if Marsalis/Cosby/Crotch actually *agreed* with Malcolm X that their elite white friends heard about in that Spike Lee movie. So, hiphop has been nothing but an embarrassment to these kinds of elite neegroes (and some of them are even presidents of and professors at Black colleges!). Rap music (crap music as Grouch calls it) disturbs their status with the white establishment. They don't want to be racially associated with "that stuff". They're the kind who like to *brag* how goood America has been to them ("Ohhh, Massa been *very good* to me!") -- and would be, according to them, to *ALL* Blacks who would just straighten up and act right (as though Massa would thus freely let us *ALL* share the bounty of his house without a fight). In fact, astute, incisive Black observers believe that if Marsalis had come before *bebop*, he would have been one of those "traditionalists" bemoaning "the bastardization and corruption of jazz by *bebop*". Bebop was also once controversial and very threatening to the traditionalists, white or Black, and the establishment. If uncorrupted rap is often the music of defiant liberation (and is still so in other parts of the world), bebop (in many ways rap music's cultural precursor) was the music of defiant freedom. Even Miles once complained to Marsalis that with all Marsalis' great technical talent, that with Lincoln Center in the palm of Marsalis' hands, that with all those white folks lovin' Marsalis and virtually kissing Marsalis' butt, that Marsalis was just only doing jazz 'museum pieces'; that Marsalis was just a traditionalist; that Marsalis wasn't do anything to advance the genre, the (jazz) cause; that Marsalis wasn't doing anything *new*. Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA

  • berkeley5000 04/26/2007 5:08:00 PM

    The thing you have to realize is that Marsalis is a virtuoso, not an innovator: there's a difference. Marsalis, like Bill Cosby or Stanley Crouch, is also an elitist! These are the kind of elite neegroes who look down on anyone who didn't get out of the ghetto/'hood and blame it on those others' baggy pants or turned-backward baseball caps, or even on having those "Black names". In addition, all of these neegroes are relatively-to-very politically conservative in *ALL* realms. All these negroes are like some grumpy, cranky, know-it-all grandpas (like Crouch, or Grouch/Crotch as I like to call him), always saying how *good* everything was when they were kids, and how bad all the Black youth (or "jigaboos", as Crotch them) are today. Marsalis, Cosby and Crotch are tough love "traditionalists". (No wonder Cosby's -- "the world's greatest dad" -- daughter was on drugs and entranged from him. And what up with his son who got murdered out on some L.A. freeway with some older white woman in a miniskirt, high-heels, and a fur coat, who some say was a high-classs gold-digger or *something*, at 5:00am?) Marsalis not only disses ALL rap music, not just "bitch & ho" rap -- and political rap music too (which threatens the white status quo). He even dissed Public Enemy (he told me that Chuck D even renounced all his PE lyrics!), he dissed the Panthers, he even dissed Malcolm X!! Marsalis and Grouch don't realize that rap music isn't just music, it's a form of *performance art*: a hybrid form of music, &/or music & audio samples of all sorts, and verse -- a blending of various aural & visual elements, including attire. But, much of the Black bourgeoisie have, in their respective time, dissed every form of Black music that was ever created, before each of those genres eventually became universally recognized as cultural treasures. Aren't they tired of repeating 'the sins of the fathers'? You see, too many bourgie neegroes diss anything they feel rocks their socially comfortable boat in the white social economic elite! And these neegroes are *EMBARRASSED* to have to answer the white folks', in their elite social circles, questions about "militant rappers", or those baggy clothes colored youth wear, or if Marsalis/Cosby/Crotch actually *agreed* with Malcolm X that their elite white friends heard about in that Spike Lee movie. So, hiphop has been nothing but an embarrassment to these kinds of elite neegroes (and some of them are even presidents of and professors at Black colleges!). Rap music (crap music as Grouch calls it) disturbs their status with the white establishment. They don't want to be racially associated with "that stuff". They're the kind who like to *brag* how goood America has been to them ("Ohhh, Massa been *very good* to me!") -- and would be, according to them, to *ALL* Blacks who would just straighten up and act right (as though Massa would thus freely let us *ALL* share the bounty of his house without a fight). In fact, astute, incisive Black observers believe that if Marsalis had come before *bebop*, he would have been one of those "traditionalists" bemoaning "the bastardization and corruption of jazz by *bebop*". Bebop was also once controversial and very threatening to the traditionalists, white or Black, and the establishment. If uncorrupted rap is often the music of defiant liberation (and is still so in other parts of the world), bebop (in many ways rap music's cultural precursor) was the music of defiant freedom. Even Miles once complained to Marsalis that with all Marsalis' great technical talent, that with Lincoln Center in the palm of Marsalis' hands, that with all those white folks lovin' Marsalis and virtually kissing Marsalis' butt, that Marsalis was just only doing jazz 'museum pieces'; that Marsalis was just a traditionalist; that Marsalis wasn't do anything to advance the genre, the (jazz) cause; that Marsalis wasn't doing anything *new*. Joseph Anderson, Berkeley, CA

  • ksisson 04/21/2007 4:27:00 AM

    We need to give Wynton props for recognizing the institutional racism that gave us Katrina; he's had no qualms about pointing that out.

  • bdownnow 04/20/2007 9:42:00 AM

    Those rhetorical grenades come in handy. Was wondering what people thought about this observation: I'm noticing that in Jazz the only people who get good write-ups, especially if they are young, are the white cats. A few old Black stalwarts are trotted out for legitimacy, but if the brother is young he gets shot down pretty quick. Same thing is starting to happen in hip-hop, house, techno, etc. Is some new type of cultural gentrification taking place? This observation does not apply just to the VV. As for Wynton - well there's one in every city now. Chicago has Norbert, and there's some other guy in LA. All clean living, smart, diplomatic people who can bring jazz into the institutional support structure. Not my cup of tea, but a lot of people like it. Hypocrits is a bit strong - but this whole idea of linking jazz and democracy is something that needs to be deconstructed. Peace

  • thesobsister 04/19/2007 2:23:00 AM

    Marsalis has always been a divider, not a uniter. His steadiest gig for the last twenty years has been to play Gatekeeper of The Music: what smells fresh is elevated, what smells funky trashed. And nowhere was his influence and pinched sensibility more pernicious and obvious than in the advisory role he played on Burns' doc, likely the most prestigious history of jazz a mass audience will ever see and, consequently, the most influential in terms of publicly setting the canon by explicit inclusion and implicit exclusion. Marsalis may think rap/hip-hop is benighted musically and lyrically. But he refuses to answer the most relevant question: "why do these genres speak to such a large percentage of the population in question?" Not to mention "will hearing Marsalis 'elevate' the form convince its audience that this is how the music should be played?" Whatever the answer(s) to the former may be, the answer to the latter can only be an unqualified "no". Marsalis is as guilty of trying to "uplift" rap as those who tried to "uplift" jazz by bringing it into concert halls in the '20s and '30s. He has no credentials in, knowledge of, or aptitude for the form but nevertheless presents himself in his accustomed role of someone who "knows better". While an outsider's view may be useful, that of a meddlesome soi-distant know-it-all is counterproductive and, ultimately, irrelevant. And for whatever reasons the Cultural Establishment may have conferred upon him the title of Gatekeeper of Jazz, Marsalis' latest sally against popular music does nothing to convince that he has the insight or intellectual objectivity to be accorded the same position for Hip-hop.

  • boxerskip-accounts 04/17/2007 7:46:00 AM

    This review is way off the mark- to put in the headline that Wynton Marsalis is a hypocrite is one of the most ill-informed judgments this writer could have made. No one has stuck to his guns- popular or unpopular- more than this musician for the past 25 years of his career. It's okay if you don't love his music but to say that he is a hypocrite because he happened to make a solid living from his career? Did Francis Davis ever go to this so called Penthouse that he claims Marsalis lives in? I have heard of all the students that Marsalis has put through school, instruments he has bought kids, work that he does for public schools- he dedicates himself to the MUSIC. Not to THINGS or living luxe, which is what Supercapitalism is about. That song is not saying you can't live comfortably or enjoy your success- it's asking a relevant question about what happens to a culture's people when they becomes obsessed with material goods and hollow icons. As for the idea that Marsalis preaches the 'gospel of personal responsibility'- his music and words don't claim to say that that is the whole discussion and we're done. It is simply waking people up to the fact that they DO HAVE personal responsibility- if you leave it to the leaders or to those in power, you end up in a situation like the one which we see ourselves entrenched in today. A call to arms is simply that- a cry to open up your eyes. Must it include every single option and nuance and possibility? That's simply asking for too much- and what Marsalis gave in this album was more than most of his contemporaries bother to offer. I thought the album, though not perfect, was an adept and invigorating collection of music, ideas and an impassioned spirit.

 

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