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Millerja3 12/21/2011 5:20:00 PM
Disco, hip hop and rap should not be in the RNRHOF, one day they will create a hall for these types of music but as of now Run DMC has no place in the RNRHOF. There are about 30 acts I can list on the top of my head that should have been inducted already but we get Madonna and Abba. I keep hearing the name Afrika Mambobo and Laura Nyro and I have to ask who are these people? Here are 5 names just off the top of my head Kiss, Rush, Deep Purple, Chicago and Alice Cooper. I guess Geddy Lee has never been to one of Jann Werners Manhatten cocktail parties or to his mansion in the Hamptons.
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09/08/2011 6:06:00 AM
According to racist and classicst assholes like you, yes, disco is unworthy. But I say it's just as worthy as what you want in the RRHOF.
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03/15/2011 9:04:00 PM
wow, seriously? Neil Diamond? Tom Waits? who are the pinheads running this cheap sideshow? The R & R Hall of Fame is a joke! How can anyone take these charlatans seriously? every year they litter the ranks of rockers everywhere with artists that have very little if anything at all to do with Rock music. How ridiculous is this roadside joke of a pop music novelty museum that does no justice whatsoever to the real rock and roll community? shame on you R & R Hall, you have no real credibility in the eyes of actual rockers. I wouldn't waste a minute of time let alone the money to see this pop music joke museum that does not honor Rock music but mocks it.
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Gary Shaw 10/30/2010 1:06:00 AM
Rap and disco is distilling Rock music.This hall should focus on the people whoo cut there teeth between the late 1920s through the late 1970s. That is the truly greatest creative period of Rock music. Those 50 years made the basis for all the derivative BS that is now purveyed upon my bleeding ears !!!
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Terry K 08/25/2010 11:44:00 AM
As said, everyone has their list of grievances. I've got mine too. You mentioned a few of them (Roxy Music, Kraftwerk) but here are some REALLY obvious ommisions: Joy Division, Nick Drake, Yes, Brian Eno. How are you supposed to taken as a serious museum/HoF when you overlook names like those? I don't get it.
The idea that the Stone Roses or the Mondays will ever be inducted is laughable. It's not that they (at least the Roses) aren't deserving, but they'll never be considered.
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paul mosenson 08/20/2010 8:03:00 AM
Paul Revere and the Raiders should definitely be in. Just like the Baseball Hall of Fame did a few years back by inducting a group of Negro League players, the Rock Hall of Fame should gather a veterans committee and right the injustices:
Besides the Raiders, look up:
The Clovers
Wynonie Harris
Johnny Burnette Trio
Ravens
Billy Ward and Dominoes
Five Royales
Jan and Dean
Roy Milton
Roy Brown
Amos Milburn
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james 04/27/2010 7:58:00 PM
Madonna is in but not the Dolls? The Stooges are inducted only after Ron Asheton passes? That just shows how much relevance this place has. I've never paid any attention to it before, and now I know I never will.
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Roy Nirschel 04/08/2010 7:24:00 AM
What is Rock N Roll? That is the fundamental question and since many of the genre and artists recognized or up for consideration would fail to meet the acid test (no pun intended) of the question what is the hall then about?
Is it to recognize artists who have had an "impact" on music, culture, society? If that is the case then the Hall of Fame would need, not a building or a structure, but literally a fairly small hall.
If, however, the idea is to recognize artists who are important to the wide and diverse musical tribe and the fans that love them then the list of potential honorees becomes endless.
Is it about taste and cultural mores or (perish the thought) commerical success? Or nostalgia and righting ancient wrongs?
I have no answers. I am an educator, not an artist but also a fan. Of Woody, of Dylan, of REM, of Fela, of Bob Marley and also Jimmy Cliff, of Jimi, of the Psyedelic Furs, of Mott the Hoople and the Cowboy Junkies, of Randy Newman and Warren Zevon (it is criminal, btw, not to include him), of Lou Reed, Patti Smith and Mark Knopfler, but also Alejandro Escovedo and Chuck Prophet and the late Vic Chestnutt and all the rest, who never got a dinner, who will never be a hall of fame. They too are music.
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Dr. Donald G. Boudreau 04/04/2010 12:41:00 AM
Where, pray tell is the late great singer-songwriter and performer LAURA NYRO, she who took the roofs off of The Fillmores East and West more times than I can count? When will the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame) rightly give her and her Songbook (And When I Die, Save The Country, Sweet Blindness, Wedding Bell Blues, Goodbye Joe, He's A Runner, Eli's Comin, Poverty Train, Time and Love, Captain Saint Lucifer, Emmie, Up on the Roof (cover), Stoned Soul Picnic, et al.) its just due?
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Joseph Holtzman 04/02/2010 8:08:00 PM
I believe the R & R is beyond redemption and should be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up - not literally - the building is fine - but in concept - Madonna in but the Meters and Alex Chilton not in - and I am sure a little research could turn up many more - if we want a pop punk rap hall of fame - so be it - but dont call it what it is not.
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Ronnie 03/31/2010 7:45:00 AM
It's "complement," not "compliment." Yeesh.
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mike owens 03/31/2010 3:24:00 AM
The so called "RRHOF" is a non-factor. There are artists that are in the HOF that shouldn't be and there are artists that should be that are not. The fact that David Bowe is in and Rush is not makes the point. KISS, Jethro Tull, Chicago are not in but you have the Stooges, iggy pop and prince.
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tpdnlovesronniejamesdio 03/22/2010 10:17:00 PM
the r&r hof is not good.
the continued omission of so much genius nullifies it, ad infinitum.
every year its just gross. inducting black sabbath without mention of ronnie james dio was disgusting. RJD's continued oversight by the committee is typical of their ridiculousness.
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Uncle Ernie 03/20/2010 7:20:00 PM
Either change the name to the Music Museum or blow it up. A large percentage of the groups inducted had nothing to do with Rock. I love Lady Rain but what is she doing there? She never sang a single rock song and she is just the tip of the iceberg. As for the "Mistake on the Lake" being home to it I say it's the perfect place, why shouldn't a joke city host a joke museum? ABBA to be inducted but not Alice Cooper, oh please!
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Rick 03/16/2010 9:39:00 PM
Roxy Music was one of the most influential bands of the 70s. America was way behind the times with terrible bands like BTO instead of following bands like Roxy. Most 80's "New Wave" bands were influenced by Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry. David Bowie changed from "Ziggy" to "Station to Station" because of Ferry. By the time America caught up about Roxy in the 80s Avalon was out and was a nice album. But it wasn't up to the unbelieveable, unique albums Roxy had in the 70s.
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Kris DiLorenzo 03/16/2010 3:50:00 AM
Fix the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?? How about, first EXPLAIN it!
What's its purpose? Who votes, and why do they get to vote? Who nominates people and how? What are the criteria for induction? Sales? Chart positions? Most media buys? Best publicity? Does QUALITY have anything to do with it?
Next, GET REAL. Somebody mentioned the Flaming Lips should be nominated-- Oh yeah, there's a band we're all going to remember in 20 years. Oh yeah, they definitely made a lasting impact on rock and roll. Gimme me a break!
PERSPECTIVE is what's lacking. Maybe if you lived in the East Village in the '70s, Iggy Pop is a towering figure in rock and roll. Compared to the Stones? Sorry-- nyet.
People may not like the dinosaurs-- Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton, etc.-- but they ARE Hall of Famers. Without Robert Plant, there would've been no Axl Rose. And at least Clapton has been performing for the last 40 years.
Some of the joke "bands" inducted into the Hall of Fame lasted two years (Sex Pistols, anyone?). Other so-called "bands" disbanded 25 years ago, and one guy kept the rights to the band name, so he pulls together a group for a "reunion" tour, and bingo! The "group" is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Together 25 years? NOT.
Some people think "artists" of all categories should be nominated and inducted. Hello, the name is ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame, not Every Kind of Music and Even Some Stuff That's Not Music Hall of Fame. Ludacris? That's just ludicrous. Aerosmith = rock and roll. Abba? That's just entertainment, not rock and roll.
This thing is becoming as idiotic as the Grammys, with 900 categories so as not to offend the possible Best Lithuanian Transgendered Duo Singing Salsa in Mandarin While Standing on One Foot category nominees.
Rock and roll is about the basics. That's the bottom line the nominations should hold. Here's the one question that ought to be the criterion: Has this group/artist made a significant, lasting impact on rock and roll?
Tina Turner, yes; Lady Gaga, no. B.B. King, yes; Green Day, no (even though they're a good band.) Jeff Beck, yes; Alice Cooper no (even though they were a good band)...catch my drift?
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Kevin Ford 03/15/2010 6:35:00 PM
Jason Gross’ point that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s nominating process needs repairing is neither new nor arguable. Yet in defending his thesis, Gross misses the big picture.
Yes, the committee meets in a magazine office in Midtown while holding its fête at the Waldorf – both sites emblematic of a parasitic corporate culture that has torn at the heart and soul of Memphis’s greatest cultural export since day one. Yes, the nominating process suffers from the bias of baby boomers who openly disregard artistic innovation or influence in their lionization of the familiar (Elton John), the banal (Jackson Browne) and the incongruous (Madonna).
Yet Gross’s solution would only exacerbate things. A bigger inductee list? Less selectivity would mean more pressure to fill ceremonies with anyone who ever released a record at least 25 years prior, regardless of impact. Hundreds of thousands of individuals have played major league baseball. Would Cooperstown mean anything if all, or even half, got in?
He cites, without a hint of irony, Green Day as a future “shoo-in”, while demanding a younger committee that would induct the likes of Fugazi or Sleater Kinney. Sleater Kinney? Seriously? A Gen-X bias is no better than a boomer one.
Further, Gross’s embrace of hip-hop’s inclusion in the Rock Hall tacitly endorses the absence of a Rap Hall. The first Rock Hall induction was in 1986, 34 years after the release of Ike Turner’s “Rocket 88”. Is it not reasonable to expect that by 2011, 32 years after the Sugarhill Gang’s “Rapper’s Delight”, hip hop finally have its own shrine to both innovation and self-importance? Why should legends like D.J. Kool Herc, Coke La Rock or Afrika Bambaataa settle for induction into Cleveland anymore than Ornette Coleman or Herbie Hancock settle for induction into Nashville?
The Rock Hall’s nominating committee has lost sight of what rock really is, and has watered down a revolutionary American artistic movement into a bland and bloated excuse to televise an expensive dinner every March. They have also, through exclusion, re-victimized dozens of incredible musicians who were already screwed over during the Pat Boone/Payola era. Stacking Cleveland with the darlings of the Pitchfork crowd does nothing to rectify this.
Gross does raise one promising prospect though. Maybe the Rock Hall shouldn’t exist, period.
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Steven Flores 03/14/2010 3:39:00 AM
The Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame is a sham. A total fuckin' joke. For every artist that's inducted. There are those that are left out. Eddie Trunk of That Metal Show called out on the organization's bullshit. It's not a just a metal thing. It's an underground rock thing as well. While I'm glad the Stooges are getting recognition. What about the New York Dolls, Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers, Television, Wire? Hell, Joy Division/New Order should've been inducted before U2. Fuck Bono and his stupid induction speeches. He's a fucking cunt!
It pisses me off that there are several acts not in there. Roxy Music, Rush, Yes, Brian Eno (for his ambient work), Iggy Pop and Lou Reed (for their solo work), Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Ronnie James Dio. What the fuck?
Fuck Jann Wenner! He's an aging old douche whose magazine has lost relevance for the past several years. I say dismantle the fucking place and shove that magazine right up his fucking ass!!!!
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03/14/2010 12:56:00 AM
RRHF is a hollow experience. I hated the building interior. The displays are not as good as they should be. You don't feel the essence of R&R when you're there. Where's the excitement, the social changes, the acceptance of black music by white youth, etc, etc? RRHF doesn't capture that. It sure needs fixing. I wouldn't have inductees every year. They are casting their net too wide. Maybe make selections every 5 years. Open up the process or is it still Wenner's little clubhouse?
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M Rourke 03/12/2010 1:54:00 PM
Roxy Music is the biggest glaring omission from the Rockhall. One of the most influential bands of all time. Four albums in the Rolling Stone Top 500. Guardian considers them the 2nd most influential British bank outside of the Beatles; without a doubt they are in the top 5. By acclaimedmusic.com stat analysis - they are the highest ranked band not in the rockhall.
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bob 03/12/2010 1:49:00 AM
How about Deep Purple?
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The D 03/11/2010 10:11:00 PM
The rock and roll hall of fame will always be a sham.
First of all, it's ROCK AND ROLL! Not disco, rap, or anything else. Call it the Pop Music Hall of Fame, but it's not Rock and Roll.
Second, Jann Wenner needs to go. He uses a personal bias with regards to who gets in and who doesn't. For example, he has said that he will never allow Rush into the hall. ABBA more influential than Rush? I don't think so.
The hall is garbage.
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Larry 03/11/2010 3:01:00 PM
Another glaring RHOF omission is Chicago.
To quote their Wiki, "According to Billboard, Chicago was the leading U.S. singles charting group during the 1970s. They have sold over 120 million albums worldwide, scoring 22 Gold, 18 Platinum, and 8 Multi-Platinum albums. Over the course of their [40+ year] career they have charted five No. 1 albums, and have had twenty-one top ten hits" and they are STILL touring.
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Matt 03/11/2010 2:37:00 PM
The Rock and Roll hall of fame lost any relevance the moment it started inducting non-Rock bands and artists.
Are Madonna, ABBA etc, Rock and/or Roll artists? No! They are not.
Being a member of the Rock and Roll hall a fame might have meant something once, exclusive membership to a group of accomplished musicians with a similar style or attitude. By making the HOF open to all comers the directors have attempted to "stay relevant" and widen their audience, but what they have actually achieved is to lower its value, and insult true Rock fans everwhere.
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Morgan 03/11/2010 9:27:00 AM
I still can't believe that Rush hasn't been inducted. Geddy, Alex, and Neil are all virtuosos of their instruments, redefining what a bass, guitar, and set of drums can be, but they're still around, making records that are JUST as good as back when they were in their heyday. And when groups that have clearly been influenced by the Canadian prog rockers are inducted, that's kinda ridiculous. I mean, without Rush, there would be no Metallica, and they were inducted last year!
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Joly MacFie 03/11/2010 6:58:00 AM
Fran Duffy, God rest his soul, was around during the conception of the R&R HoF. I recall his suggestion, ignored, that outside the building there sould be a statue - possibly a body wrapped in a sleeping bag - in honor of the "unknown fan". After all the whole edifice is built on his/her back.
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Scott 03/11/2010 5:59:00 AM
I agree with you that a bunch of groups and musicians are being denied votes. The groups that I think really need to be inducted are from the New Wave explosion of the 80's. Depeche Mode and The Cure are the first to come to mind. Another is The Smiths. These bands and many others paved the way for what became Alternative Rock of the late 80's and Grunge of the 90's.
I think there needs to be a fan vote as well as new voters added to the voting committee and maybe some should walk away from their voting privileges.
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Mike 03/11/2010 5:58:00 AM
The idea of a rock and roll museum is as obscene as the idea of "rock critic", which means that DeRogatis and Kot's opinions mean nothing (at least no more than anyone else's opinion).
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Wade 03/11/2010 5:42:00 AM
One word: Rush
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Mark 03/11/2010 5:39:00 AM
You didn't even mention Rush, who is one of the top 10 all-time album sales leader, and had/has the record for most top 10 albums in a row in BillBoard. But yet the HOShame never talks about them. Until Rush is in they will never have my support or attendance.
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Joe Watts 03/11/2010 5:37:00 AM
Some things are just beyond fixing, and this is one of them!
Jess
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OhioOrrin 03/10/2010 8:35:00 PM
the tourists & families appreciate the MUCH cheaper stop in clev esp during this extended recession. it aint the once-a-yr induction show, its all about the reg tourists & families.
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Dave 03/10/2010 8:33:00 PM
"The Residents" will never be inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame, or even considered. Since the early 70's they have represented a thoroughly surreal rebellion toward pop music that hasn't ended even after 60(!) albums! Understandable to the Hall of fame? Doubt it.
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Terry Cook 03/10/2010 8:27:00 PM
I have made the case repeatedly for Johnny Rivers -- only to silence, and not even mentioned in the list of catch-up acts in this article: originator of influential mid-60's "go-go" craze as an original (and popular) American sound right in the midst of the British invasion, first (and several) popular "live" albums in rock history; remained true to his southern roots by not "mainstreaming" his Louisanna accent; his version of "Midnight Special" being the theme music of that incredibly popular music TV show long before MTV; popularizer of Jimmy Webb California-sound soft-rock following the go-go/live early phase of his career; and a consistent top ten artist for a decade, with several of those hits -- Secret Agent Man, Poor Side of Town, Seventh Son, Rocking Pneumonia Boogie Woogie Flu -- still staples on classic rock radio -- what's wrong with the guy??? A singer/interpreter ratherthan songwriter, well, so was Elvis, or the Everly Brothers, or many more. Too white, too southern, not trendy enough for the "critics" -- justwhat are the criteria when no few one-hit-wonders are in the Hall???
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epac 03/10/2010 8:18:00 PM
"Disco is pretty much absent"...that's for a reason. It STILL sucks.
Ted - be careful..."voted on by the people" is a double-edged sword. You'll get Kiss, Brittany Spears and Madonna along with all those underground acts you no doubt cherish. (Oh wait, Madonna's already IN the hall...WTF?????)
The whole thing was nothing more than a tribute to Jann Wenner's personal tastes and outsized ego anyway.
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Sagebrush 03/10/2010 7:27:00 PM
I am fully aware that the Hall of Fame will not ever blink their eyeballs at the greatest creative performance act in music - THE RESIDENTS. They obliterate the notion of fame, anyway.
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Ted Cogswell 03/10/2010 7:06:00 PM
We're only just starting, but there's an online effort to establish an alternate canon voted on by the people. We have monthly elections, and will be caught up to the Cleveland hall's elections in a little under two years. It will be interesting to see how the inductee lists compare at that point: http://peoplesrockhall.blogspot.com/
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ROY 03/10/2010 6:18:00 PM
INDUCT CHICAGO NOW!!